XODDI a écrit :
> Windows XP Pro SP3
> Intel Core 2 2.4
> 2 G RAM
> Cubase Studio 4, latest rev 4.5?
> Echo Audio Fire vers 4.8
>
> Got this running at 11.6 msec latency, it's the best I can comfortably
> do - 10.2 makes things a little unstable around the edges.
-

The latency you can set depends on the quality of your audio card and
the quality of its driver.

The latency you will be actually able to use (eg without cracks and pops
and shcrounch) depends on the power of your PC, its ability to give all
of its power to the background tasks without being interrupted (here
lies the importance of the many audio tweaks for XP you can find on the
net), and again, the quality of the driver of your audio card.
When RME upgraded their driver vrom 2.9 to 3 for the hammerfall series,
many users gained something like 30% speed, latency-wise. I mean that
with the same hardware, they were able to lower their latency and still
play scrounchless tune.
-

>
> My main problem now is with th NI Komplete suite - Battery, Kontakt,
> FM8, Absynth, Massive.
>
> They seem to feel "mushy" - i.e., with even a bit more latency from MDI
> note-on than other VSTis, including a standalone installation of
> Reaktor. They record and render OK from a MIDI track, but I am
> over-compensating for the "mushiness" in playing and it is showing up in
> the MIDI recordings.
>
> Am I making any sense?

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No, it's not
Actually, 2 things are not making sense:

The latency you are currently achieving is what I had with my old AThlon
2000+ (one core @ 1.7 GHz ! ).
With a core2 quad Q9550, I can start working with a 1.5ms latency. I
finish many projects, with effects, midi, VSTi, streaming, etc... @ 6ms
latency.
I even can make a simple vocal recording with 0.75 (<1ms) latency.

So a 11 ms latency is a bit disappointing for you hardware. Again: I
don't know about your audio card or its drivers.
And from what I know, above 10ms, I start to feel the mushiness,as you
call it.

The 2nd thing that doesn't make sense to me is that you would have
different latency "feeling" with different VSTi.

My diagnostic would be that you are not using the correct driver.
Many card have an "ASIO multimedia" driver wich is not the one you want
to use. You want to use the other drivers featuring "ASIO" in its name.


Huey

PS: if you don't find the audio tweaks for XP, and if you do need them,
just ask. Someone might be able to post them here.

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:46:47 +0100, Hueyduck <sea-(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:


>PS: if you don't find the audio tweaks for XP, and if you do need them,
>just ask. Someone might be able to post them here.
>
......to what kind of audio tweaks are you referring?

Max Doorrijhoogte a écrit :
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:46:47 +0100, Hueyduck <sea-(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>
>> PS: if you don't find the audio tweaks for XP, and if you do need them,
>> just ask. Someone might be able to post them here.
>>
> .....to what kind of audio tweaks are you referring?

This one, for instance:
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Processor scheduling should be set to background services and not Programs.
Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Performance
Settings > Advanced
Tab > Background Services
*******************************

Here's the list I apply when I prepare a new PC (taken in 2003 from a
site called musicxp, or something).

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For consistency, before carrying out the tuning tips suggested below,
switch to classic view in the
control panel. To do this, Start > Control Panel > "Switch to Classic View".
Then, switch to classic view for the menu. To do this, Start > Control
Panel > Taskbar and Start Menu >
Start Menu Tab > Classic Start Menu.
If you require further information on a particular tip, click on the
associated
1. Processor scheduling should be set to background services and not
Programs.
Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Performance
Settings > Advanced
Tab > Background Services
2. Visual effects should be set to a minimum.
Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Performance
Settings > Visual
Effects Tab > Adjust for best performance
3. Switch Off Desktop Background Image
Right Click Desktop > Properties > Desktop Tab > Background None
4. Disable Screen Saver
Right Click Desktop > Properties > Screen Saver > None
5. Disable Fast User Switching
Start > Settings > Control Panel > User Accounts > Change the way users
log on or off >
Untick Use Fast User Switching
6. Switch Off Power Schemes
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Power Options > Always On > Turn off
monitor and turn
off hard discs to Never
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7. Switch Off Hibernation
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Power Options > Hibernate > Untick
Hibernation
8. Activate DMA on Hard Discs/CD ROMS
Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Hardware > Device Manager > IDE
ATA/ATAPI Controllers > Right Click Primary IDE channel and Secondary
IDE channel >
Properties > Advanced Settings Tab > Transfer Mode to "DMA if available"
for both
devices.
9. Disable System Sounds
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Sounds and Audio Devices > Sounds Tab
> Sound
Scheme to None.
10. Do Not Map Through Soundcard
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Sounds and Audio Devices > Hardware
Tab > (highlight
your soundcard from the list) > Properties > Audio Devices > (highlight
your soundcard
from the list) > Properties, and check the "Do not map through this
device" checkbox.
11. Disable System Restore
Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > System Restore Tab. Tick the
"Turn off System
Restore on all Drives"
12. Disable Automatic Updates
Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Automatic Updates > Turn off
automatic
updating. I want to update my computer manually
13. Startup and Recovery Options
Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Advanced > Startup and
Recovery Settings >
Untick Automatically Restart
14. Disable Error Reporting
Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Advanced > Error Reporting >
Disable Error
Reporting
15. Disable Remote Assistance
Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Remote > Untick Allow remote
assistance
invitations to be sent from this computer
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16. Fix Swap File (Virtual Memory)
Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Performance
Settings > Advanced
> Virtual Memory Change > Custom Size. Set initial and maximum size to
the same value.
17. Speed Up Menus
Start > Run > Regedit > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Control Panel > Desktop
Folder. Set
MenuShowDelay to 1
18. Disable Offline Files
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Folder Options > Offline Files Untick
"Enable Offline
Files"
19. Disable Remote Desktop
Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Remote > Untick "Allow users
to connect
remotely to this computer"
20. Disable Internet Synchronise Time
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Date and Time > Internet Time >
Untick "Automatically
synchronize with internet time server"
21. Disable Hide Inactive Icons
Start > Settings > Taskbar and Start Menu > Taskbar TAB > Uncheck "Hide
Inactive Icons"
22. Disable Automatic Desktop Cleanup Wizard
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Display > Desktop > Customise Desktop
> Untick "Run
Desktop Cleanup Wizard every 60 days"
23. Disable NTFS Last Access Time Logging (NTFS File Systems Only)
Start > Run > regedit > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > System > CurrentControlSet >
Control > Filesystem. Add a new DWORD value -
"NtfsDisableLastAccessUpdate" and set
value to 1.
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24. Disable Notification Area Balloon Tips
Start > Run > regedit > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Software > Microsoft > Windows >
CurrentVersion > Explorer > Advanced. Create a new DWORD value called
EnableBalloonTips and set to 0.
25. Disable CDROM Autoplay
Start > Run > regedit > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > System > CurrentControlSet >
Services > Cdrom. Set autorun to 0.
26. Disable Disc Indexing Service
Right Click Start > Explorer > Right Click Each Disc > Properties >
Untick "Allow Indexing
Service to index this disc for fast file searching"
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Tuning Tips
For consistency, before carrying out the tuning tips suggested below,
switch to classic view in the
control panel. To do this, Start > Control Panel > "Switch to Classic View".
Then, switch to classic view for the menu. To do this, Start > Control
Panel > Taskbar and Start Menu >
Start Menu Tab > Classic Start Menu.
If you require further information on a particular tip, click on the
associated
1. Processor scheduling should be set to background services and not
Programs.
Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Performance
Settings > Advanced
Tab > Background Services
2. Visual effects should be set to a minimum.
Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Performance
Settings > Visual
Effects Tab > Adjust for best performance
3. Switch Off Desktop Background Image
Right Click Desktop > Properties > Desktop Tab > Background None
4. Disable Screen Saver
Right Click Desktop > Properties > Screen Saver > None
5. Disable Fast User Switching
Start > Settings > Control Panel > User Accounts > Change the way users
log on or off >
Untick Use Fast User Switching
6. Switch Off Power Schemes
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Power Options > Always On > Turn off
monitor and turn
off hard discs to Never
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Tuning Tips
7. Switch Off Hibernation
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Power Options > Hibernate > Untick
Hibernation
8. Activate DMA on Hard Discs/CD ROMS
Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Hardware > Device Manager > IDE
ATA/ATAPI Controllers > Right Click Primary IDE channel and Secondary
IDE channel >
Properties > Advanced Settings Tab > Transfer Mode to "DMA if available"
for both
devices.
9. Disable System Sounds
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Sounds and Audio Devices > Sounds Tab
> Sound
Scheme to None.
10. Do Not Map Through Soundcard
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Sounds and Audio Devices > Hardware
Tab > (highlight
your soundcard from the list) > Properties > Audio Devices > (highlight
your soundcard
from the list) > Properties, and check the "Do not map through this
device" checkbox.
11. Disable System Restore
Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > System Restore Tab. Tick the
"Turn off System
Restore on all Drives"
12. Disable Automatic Updates
Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Automatic Updates > Turn off
automatic
updating. I want to update my computer manually

13. Startup and Recovery Options
Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Advanced > Startup and
Recovery Settings >
Untick Automatically Restart
14. Disable Error Reporting
Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Advanced > Error Reporting >
Disable Error
Reporting
15. Disable Remote Assistance
Start > Settings > Control Panel> System > Remote > Untick Allow remote
assistance
invitations to be sent from this computer
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Tuning Tips
16. Fix Swap File (Virtual Memory)
Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Performance
Settings > Advanced
> Virtual Memory Change > Custom Size. Set initial and maximum size to
the same value.
17. Speed Up Menus
Start > Run > Regedit > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Control Panel > Desktop
Folder. Set
MenuShowDelay to 1
18. Disable Offline Files
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Folder Options > Offline Files Untick
"Enable Offline
Files"
19. Disable Remote Desktop
Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Remote > Untick "Allow users
to connect
remotely to this computer"
20. Disable Internet Synchronise Time
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Date and Time > Internet Time >
Untick "Automatically
synchronize with internet time server"
21. Disable Hide Inactive Icons
Start > Settings > Taskbar and Start Menu > Taskbar TAB > Uncheck "Hide
Inactive Icons"
22. Disable Automatic Desktop Cleanup Wizard
Start > Settings > Control Panel > Display > Desktop > Customise Desktop
> Untick "Run
Desktop Cleanup Wizard every 60 days"
23. Disable NTFS Last Access Time Logging (NTFS File Systems Only)
Start > Run > regedit > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > System > CurrentControlSet >
Control > Filesystem. Add a new DWORD value -
"NtfsDisableLastAccessUpdate" and set
value to 1.
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Tuning Tips
24. Disable Notification Area Balloon Tips
Start > Run > regedit > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Software > Microsoft > Windows >
CurrentVersion > Explorer > Advanced. Create a new DWORD value called
EnableBalloonTips and set to 0.
25. Disable CDROM Autoplay
Start > Run > regedit > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > System > CurrentControlSet >
Services > Cdrom. Set autorun to 0.
26. Disable Disc Indexing Service
Right Click Start > Explorer > Right Click Each Disc > Properties >
Untick "Allow Indexing
Service to index this disc for fast file searching"
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