Hi folks, I'm recording backing tracks using cubase 4 and recording
bass parts using vb-1, but need to record an octave lower. I know I
could just record the part and transpose the whole track, but I would
rather not.

If I was recording audio, I could transpose my keyboard, (Kawai K-11)
but not so with midi in. I did a search in help and looked in project
setup and everywhere else I could of..

Sorry if I'm not being clear and I appreciate any help.

Leo

Op 12-2-2010 4:42, theLeo schreef:
> Hi folks, I'm recording backing tracks using cubase 4 and recording
> bass parts using vb-1, but need to record an octave lower. I know I
> could just record the part and transpose the whole track, but I would
> rather not.
>
> If I was recording audio, I could transpose my keyboard, (Kawai K-11)
> but not so with midi in. I did a search in help and looked in project
> setup and everywhere else I could of..
>
> Sorry if I'm not being clear and I appreciate any help.

If you don't want to set your keyboard to transpose, or can't, and you
don't want to transpose the recorded parts afterwards, you need to
transpose the notes as they come in. I don't know of any way of doing
that. AFAIK all MIDI Modifiers and transformers work between the
recorded notes and the instruments that they are sent to.
However, let's suppose you record on a track that has been set to
transpose -12 semitones. You would play a C3, record a C3, and hear a
C2. After recording, you manually transpose the part 12 semitones down,
and reset the track to not transpose. The recorded note would be a C2
and you will hear a C2. Isn't that what you want?

Hope this helps,

Jos.


--
Ardis Park Music
www.ardispark.nl

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:20:39 +0100, Jos Geluk <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Op 12-2-2010 4:42, theLeo schreef:
>> Hi folks, I'm recording backing tracks using cubase 4 and recording
>> bass parts using vb-1, but need to record an octave lower. I know I
>> could just record the part and transpose the whole track, but I would
>> rather not.
>>
>> If I was recording audio, I could transpose my keyboard, (Kawai K-11)
>> but not so with midi in. I did a search in help and looked in project
>> setup and everywhere else I could of..
>>
>> Sorry if I'm not being clear and I appreciate any help.
>
>If you don't want to set your keyboard to transpose, or can't, and you
>don't want to transpose the recorded parts afterwards, you need to
>transpose the notes as they come in. I don't know of any way of doing
>that. AFAIK all MIDI Modifiers and transformers work between the
>recorded notes and the instruments that they are sent to.
>However, let's suppose you record on a track that has been set to
>transpose -12 semitones. You would play a C3, record a C3, and hear a
>C2. After recording, you manually transpose the part 12 semitones down,
>and reset the track to not transpose. The recorded note would be a C2
>and you will hear a C2. Isn't that what you want?
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Jos.

I'm not entirely sure what this fellow is trying to achieve. Similarly
I sometimes record backing tracks with Cubase, and as you've suggested
Jos, I use midi modifiers to change octave or transpose. assuming that
I can't do it on the way in for some reason. Its not like
pich-shifting audio where you get sound degradation.

LL

On Feb 11, 10:42*pm, theLeo <ldea...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks, I'm recording backing tracks using cubase 4 and recording
> bass parts using vb-1, but need to record an octave lower. I know I
> could just record the part and transpose the *whole track, but I would
> rather not.
>
> If I was recording audio, I could transpose my keyboard, (Kawai K-11)
> but not so with midi in. I did a search in help and looked in project
> setup and everywhere else I could of..
>
> Sorry if I'm not being clear and I appreciate any help.
>
> Leo

Leo,

On the track display, there is a MIDI section (track parameters) that
lets you transpose the notes (in semi-tones) up or down. Look up MIDI
transpose in C4 help. This is done in real time, so when you trigger
C2, it plays C1 and so on.

HTH, CS

On Feb 12, 4:20*am, Jos Geluk <skel...@casema.invalid> wrote:
> Op 12-2-2010 4:42, theLeo schreef:
>
> > Hi folks, I'm recording backing tracks using cubase 4 and recording
> > bass parts using vb-1, but need to record an octave lower. I know I
> > could just record the part and transpose the *whole track, but I would
> > rather not.
>
> > If I was recording audio, I could transpose my keyboard, (Kawai K-11)
> > but not so with midi in. I did a search in help and looked in project
> > setup and everywhere else I could of..
>
> > Sorry if I'm not being clear and I appreciate any help.
>
> If you don't want to set your keyboard to transpose, or can't, and you
> don't want to transpose the recorded parts afterwards, you need to
> transpose the notes as they come in. I don't know of any way of doing
> that. AFAIK all MIDI Modifiers and transformers work between the
> recorded notes and the instruments that they are sent to.
> However, let's suppose you record on a track that has been set to
> transpose -12 semitones. You would play a C3, record a C3, and hear a
> C2. After recording, you manually transpose the part 12 semitones down,
> and reset the track to not transpose. The recorded note would be a C2
> and you will hear a C2. Isn't that what you want?
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Jos.
>
> --
> Ardis Park Musicwww.ardispark.nl

Hi Jos, I did notice that transpose is set to -12 and I suppose this
is default. If my keyboard was a full 88 keys I could do what I want.
When I record midi with Cakewalk, I simply transpose my keyboard down
-12 to achieve this, but with Cubase I can't set midi parameters with
my keyboard, or at least I haven't tried to configure it.

As I read my post, it could be that the -12 I thought was default may
be because it's responding to my keyboard already..I'll check that.

I always have the option to transpose after I record.. so all is not
lost. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Leo
www.leodean.com

"theLeo":

> Hi Jos, I did notice that transpose is set to -12 and I suppose this
> is default.

No! Default is +/- 0 !!!

> If my keyboard was a full 88 keys I could do what I want.
> When I record midi with Cakewalk, I simply transpose my keyboard down
> -12 to achieve this, but with Cubase I can't set midi parameters with
> my keyboard, or at least I haven't tried to configure it.
>
> As I read my post, it could be that the -12 I thought was default may
> be because it's responding to my keyboard already..I'll check that.
>
> I always have the option to transpose after I record.. so all is not
> lost. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Well, transpose after record isn´t that much more work, though... If you
can´t do it any other way, then use this work-around.


Phil

"theLeo":

> Hi folks, I'm recording backing tracks using cubase 4 and recording
> bass parts using vb-1, but need to record an octave lower. I know I
> could just record the part and transpose the whole track, but I would
> rather not.

May I ask: Why? Just because it´s an extra step?

You might as well try a different soft synth for bass sounds than VB-1 -
Cubase4 includes the HalionOne Player. It should contain better bass sounds
than vb-1...
The idea is also that, a different plug-in for bass may also not require
transposing everything 1 octave lower.
I don´t use MIDI often, but have played around with it. And I somehow
remember, that I had to transpose MIDI tracks -1 octave for the vb-1, but
not other VSTi.

VB-1 is okay, but still on the lower end of the spectrum soundwise - C4 has
better bass sounds included, just look them up! ;-)
BTW: as a bass player, I might also have a different perspective on bass
sounds than folks coming from other instruments as their main one.


Phil

Op 12-2-2010 10:20, Jos Geluk schreef:
> Op 12-2-2010 4:42, theLeo schreef:
>> Hi folks, I'm recording backing tracks using cubase 4 and recording
>> bass parts using vb-1, but need to record an octave lower. I know I
>> could just record the part and transpose the whole track, but I would
>> rather not.
>>
>> If I was recording audio, I could transpose my keyboard, (Kawai K-11)
>> but not so with midi in. I did a search in help and looked in project
>> setup and everywhere else I could of..
>>
>> Sorry if I'm not being clear and I appreciate any help.
>
> If you don't want to set your keyboard to transpose, or can't, and you
> don't want to transpose the recorded parts afterwards, you need to
> transpose the notes as they come in. I don't know of any way of doing
> that. AFAIK all MIDI Modifiers and transformers work between the
> recorded notes and the instruments that they are sent to.


As it turns out, this is not true, at least not in Cubase 5. In the MIDI
track settings there is a button "Input transformer" which does exactly
what you want, i.e. transform MIDI notes in any way before they get
recorded.

Hadn't noticed that button before though.

Jos.


--
Ardis Park Music
www.ardispark.nl

On Feb 12, 9:13*am, Jos Geluk <skel...@casema.invalid> wrote:
> Op 12-2-2010 10:20, Jos Geluk schreef:
>
>
>
> > Op 12-2-2010 4:42, theLeo schreef:
> >> Hi folks, I'm recording backing tracks using cubase 4 and recording
> >> bass parts using vb-1, but need to record an octave lower. I know I
> >> could just record the part and transpose the whole track, but I would
> >> rather not.
>
> >> If I was recording audio, I could transpose my keyboard, (Kawai K-11)
> >> but not so with midi in. I did a search in help and looked in project
> >> setup and everywhere else I could of..
>
> >> Sorry if I'm not being clear and I appreciate any help.
>
> > If you don't want to set your keyboard to transpose, or can't, and you
> > don't want to transpose the recorded parts afterwards, you need to
> > transpose the notes as they come in. I don't know of any way of doing
> > that. AFAIK all MIDI Modifiers and transformers work between the
> > recorded notes and the instruments that they are sent to.
>
> As it turns out, this is not true, at least not in Cubase 5. In the MIDI
> track settings there is a button "Input transformer" which does exactly
> what you want, i.e. transform MIDI notes in any way before they get
> recorded.
>
> Hadn't noticed that button before though.
>
> Jos.
>
> --
> Ardis Park Musicwww.ardispark.nl

Jos, I'm using Cubase 4 and I'll hunt for that track setting button.

To Phil: ..just for creativity's sake I suppose and thanks for the
heads up on +/- "0".
also, I'm not familiar with C4, is this a Cubase 5 thing? Also bacause
I'm making live backing tracks the vb-1 is giving me the eq'd sound I
want thru my Bose LI, but thanks.

A lot of my help files are corrupted and this computer is not on line
so I have to go to another computer for extended help. argg..

I can't believe I spent all those years sequencing with Cakewalk,
because Cubase is a whole new world, plus I'm making and playing
backing tracks in audio now and can also save as a midi file..life is
good.. plus I'll get these few bugs worked out and I'll be good to go,
so thanks again for the advice guys and remember.. I'm still a
baby

...now, to find a few more hours in a day..

leo