Danny T <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> On Mar 8, 1:31 pm, walki...@nv.net (hank alrich) wrote:
> > Danny T <dannytad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The definition of music is:
> > > 1 the art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or
> > > both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion
> >
> > > Since there is usually just a rhythm and a few words spit out in angry
> > > voice, cRap can not be considered music.
> >
> > Bullshit. Form and content are not to be confused involuntarily. Drums
> > are loaded with harmonics. If you've never heard melody from a trap set,
> > then you must never have heard Eddie Blackwell live.

> You're confusing trap set with rap ****

No, I am not. I'm distinguishing between narrowminded bullshit and
useful knowledge about music. Ain't no melody in Woody Guthrie's talking
blues. You're standing on a line across which lies racism. I've heard a
couple of rap songs I liked - from Arrested Development, IRRC. Doesn't
mean I dig it as a genre, but there is plenty of other popular music
that I generally dislike, too.

--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
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Danny T wrote:
> The definition of music is:
> 1 the art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or
> both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion
>
> Since there is usually just a rhythm and a few words spit out in angry
> voice, cRap can not be considered music.
>

Byron Hurt has done a very interesting documentary about what's
happened with hip hop.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/hiphop/film.htm

If you can keep your mind open long enough to watch it, it's
pretty good. It also has enough content in it to teach
us who don't really know much about hip hop that it used
to be a lot less monoculture than it is now.

> Just thought I'd open my mouth before I shoot the bastard that was
> parked outside my studio with 110dB blasting kill the cop while I
> tried to track my acoustic this morning.....

--
Les Cargill

On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:36:01 -0500, Danny T wrote
(in article
<18f528b2-ccf4-4041-abab-(E-Mail Removed)>):

> The definition of music is:
> 1 the art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or
> both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion
>
> Since there is usually just a rhythm and a few words spit out in angry
> voice, cRap can not be considered music.
>
> Just thought I'd open my mouth before I shoot the bastard that was
> parked outside my studio with 110dB blasting kill the cop while I
> tried to track my acoustic this morning.....

Johnny's in the basement mixing up the medicine, I"m on the pavement thinkin'
'bout the government. Man with a badge out, laid off, says he's got a bad
cough, wants to get it paid off. Look out kids, It's something you did, gotta
jump down a manhole, light yourself a candle. You don't want to be a bum you
better chew gum, the pump don't work cause the vandals stole the handle.

This is rap, by my definition. Not beautiful, but it communicates.

Regards,

Ty Ford



--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
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Ty Ford wrote:
....
>
> Johnny's in the basement mixing up the medicine, I"m on the pavement thinkin'
> 'bout the government. Man with a badge out, laid off, says he's got a bad
> cough, wants to get it paid off. Look out kids, It's something you did, gotta
> jump down a manhole, light yourself a candle. You don't want to be a bum you
> better chew gum, the pump don't work cause the vandals stole the handle.
>
> This is rap, by my definition. Not beautiful, but it communicates.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford

Yeah, and the guy that wrote that did a set at a major festival and some
old, established musician threatened to cut the electrical cables to the
new guy's gear with an ax because the old guy didn't like the way the
new guy was presenting his music.

Ahhh, good times!

On Mar 8, 3:45*pm, walki...@nv.net (hank alrich) wrote:
> Danny T <dannytad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 8, 1:31 pm, walki...@nv.net (hank alrich) wrote:
> > > Danny T <dannytad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > The definition of music is:
> > > > 1 the art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or
> > > > both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion
>
> > > > Since there is usually just a rhythm and a few words spit out in angry
> > > > voice, cRap can not be considered music.
>
> > > Bullshit. Form and content are not to be confused involuntarily. Drums
> > > are loaded with harmonics. If you've never heard melody from a trap set,
> > > then you must never have heard Eddie Blackwell live.
> > You're confusing trap set with rap ****
>
> No, I am not. I'm distinguishing between narrowminded bullshit and
> useful knowledge about music. Ain't no melody in Woody Guthrie's talking
> blues. You're standing on a line across which lies racism. I've heard a
> couple of rap songs I liked - from Arrested Development, IRRC. Doesn't
> mean I dig it as a genre, but there is plenty of other popular music
> that I generally dislike, too.
>
> --
> ha
> shut up and play your guitarhttp://hankalrich.com/http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/hsadharma

Well, if I were you I'd erase your post before people realize you
don't know what melody is. First of all, there is melody and harmony
all through the picked chord changes and second there is melody in his
spoken word. He uses a speaking voice and follows melody all the way
through.

Now, not everyone knows definitions of things like a neapolitan 6
chord but most people know what melody is.

On Mar 8, 3:21*pm, "geoff" <ge...@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote:
> Laurence Payne wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 08:36:01 -0800 (PST), Danny T
> > <dannytad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> The definition of music is:
> >> 1 the art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or
> >> both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion
>
> >> Since there is usually just a rhythm and a few words spit out in
> >> angry voice, cRap can not be considered music.
>
> >> Just thought I'd open my mouth before I shoot the bastard that was
> >> parked outside my studio with 110dB blasting kill the cop while I
> >> tried to track my acoustic this morning.....
>
> > The afternoon I tracked a lady singer over a karaoke track of "I will
> > always love you" (at least the Dolly Parton version, which hurts a
> > little less). *On soloing the vocal, I discovered I'd also recorded an
> > alarm siren from the street outside. *I left it in.
>
> I hate that, when you are ruising along and hear a siren, take appropriate
> evasive action, and then realise it was on the radio....
>
> geoff

Yeah, Geoff, that is one of the worst wastes of beer I know :-)

On Mar 8, 4:15*pm, Les Cargill <lcargil...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Danny T wrote:
> > The definition of music is:
> > 1 the art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or
> > both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion
>
> > Since there is usually just a rhythm and a few words spit out in angry
> > voice, cRap can not be considered music.
>
> Byron Hurt has done a very interesting documentary about what's
> happened with hip hop.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/hiphop/film.htm
>
> If you can keep your mind open long enough to watch it, it's
> pretty good. It also has enough content in it to teach
> us who don't really know much about hip hop that it used
> to be a lot less monoculture than it is now.
>
> > Just thought I'd open my mouth before I shoot the bastard that was
> > parked outside my studio with 110dB blasting kill the cop while I
> > tried to track my acoustic this morning.....
>
> --
> Les Cargill

There is a study that shows point blank that it lowers IQ levels...
not kidding.

Do some songs contain rap - yes. Is rap music - not to me

On Mar 8, 4:17*pm, Ty Ford <tyreef...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:36:01 -0500, Danny T wrote
> (in article
> <18f528b2-ccf4-4041-abab-0160bbdca...@g19g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > The definition of music is:
> > 1 the art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or
> > both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion
>
> > Since there is usually just a rhythm and a few words spit out in angry
> > voice, cRap can not be considered music.
>
> > Just thought I'd open my mouth before I shoot the bastard that was
> > parked outside my studio with 110dB blasting kill the cop while I
> > tried to track my acoustic this morning.....
>
> Johnny's in the basement mixing up the medicine, I"m on the pavement thinkin'
> 'bout the government. Man with a badge out, laid off, says he's got a bad
> cough, wants to get it paid off. Look out kids, It's something you did, gotta
> jump down a manhole, light yourself a candle. You don't want to be a bum you
> better chew gum, the pump don't work cause the vandals stole the handle.
>
> This is rap, by my definition. Not beautiful, but it communicates.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford
>
> --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
> Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com
> Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA

Ty, with all due respect, there is no harmony now is there....

A painting communicates but its not music either

Mike Rivers <(E-Mail Removed)> scribbled:

> Don P. wrote:
>> Gary Edstrom <(E-Mail Removed)> scribbled:
>>
>>> A couple of years ago, I was driving along the Ventura freeway going
>>> along at the speed limit with many cars around. All of a sudden, I
>>> could feel the car vibrating and hear a BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.
>
>> Heh. Do that in my neighborhood, and the men with the blue hats will
>> impound your car.
>
> I wanna live where you live. But first, how much snow do you get? ')
>
>

How much do you want? I think we got about 3 feet this winter, all told
(Not all at once, though). About 25 miles west of Chicago.

Audio1 wrote:

> Yeah, and the guy that wrote that did a set at a major festival and some
> old, established musician threatened to cut the electrical cables to the
> new guy's gear with an ax because the old guy didn't like the way the
> new guy was presenting his music.

Actually it was because the sound was so distorted that he couldn't
understand
the words.

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operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson