On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:30:48 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

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> ALSA 1.0.18 Final Now Available, Lots of Changes

Does this one actually work?
Can Linux play two sounds at once yet?


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
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http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:07:15 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:30:48 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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>> ALSA 1.0.18 Final Now Available, Lots of Changes
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> Does this one actually work?
> Can Linux play two sounds at once yet?

Why even bother?
Linux has absolutely no place in pro audio.
Those guys are too busy churning out editors and compilers to worry about
decent audio.
Last time I tried Linux, the left and right channels of my RME card were
reversed.
I wrote the developers and they asked me how I could tell and if I thought
anyone else would be able to notice.

End of story for Linux and me........

After takin' a swig o' grog, Glenn Carlson belched out
this bit o' wisdom:

> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:07:15 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>>> ALSA 1.0.18 Final Now Available, Lots of Changes
>>
>> Does this one actually work?
>> Can Linux play two sounds at once yet?
>
> Why even bother?
> Linux has absolutely no place in pro audio.
> Those guys are too busy churning out editors and compilers to worry about
> decent audio.
> Last time I tried Linux, the left and right channels of my RME card were
> reversed.
> I wrote the developers and they asked me how I could tell and if I thought
> anyone else would be able to notice.
>
> End of story for Linux and me........

Interesting. Both "Moshe" and "Glenn" use

User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.84

on motzarella.org.

<sniff sniff> I smell flatfish sock puppets.

I guess he never read this one:

http://m.linuxjournal.com/article/9892

Portable Hard Disk Recorder How-To

After plugging this interface in to my laptop and configuring it
properly, I have a multitrack hard disk recorder that can simultaneously
record 24 tracks at a maximum sample rate of 96KHz, well above the
maximum available sample rate on far more expensive commercial HDRs, with
more available input tracks.

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probably be one of those deep, eerie ones that slowly builds to a
blood-curdling maniacal scream... but still it will be a laugh.
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____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Friday 31 October 2008 14:46 : \____

> After takin' a swig o' grog, Glenn Carlson belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:07:15 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>>> ALSA 1.0.18 Final Now Available, Lots of Changes
>>>
>>> Does this one actually work?
>>> Can Linux play two sounds at once yet?
>>
>> Why even bother?
>> Linux has absolutely no place in pro audio.
>> Those guys are too busy churning out editors and compilers to worry about
>> decent audio.
>> Last time I tried Linux, the left and right channels of my RME card were
>> reversed.
>> I wrote the developers and they asked me how I could tell and if I thought
>> anyone else would be able to notice.
>>
>> End of story for Linux and me........
>
> Interesting. Both "Moshe" and "Glenn" use
>
> User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.84
>
> on motzarella.org.
>
> <sniff sniff> I smell flatfish sock puppets.

One sentence per paragraph, no indentation, no line spacing. If it looks like a
(Flat)Fish...


Gary M. Stewart.


> I guess he never read this one:
>
> http://m.linuxjournal.com/article/9892


Gary also dropped the references from the OP.

Why Vista sounds worse

,----[ Quote ]
| Changes to how the latest version of Windows handles audio playback has
| caused unexpected quality issues for musicians and consumers alike, reports
| Tim Anderson Â*
`----

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...oft.technology


Audio in Linux is awesome

,----[ Quote ]
| I can’t wait for PulseAudio. I’m sure that will make all of this even easier.
`----

http://darkness.codefu.org/wordpress/2007/12/15/292



> Portable Hard Disk Recorder How-To
>
> After plugging this interface in to my laptop and configuring it
> properly, I have a multitrack hard disk recorder that can simultaneously
> record 24 tracks at a maximum sample rate of 96KHz, well above the
> maximum available sample rate on far more expensive commercial HDRs, with
> more available input tracks.

Renoise For Linux

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| On January 17 of this year the first beta release of Renoise 1.9.1 was
| announced. Along with new features and fixes for its Windows and OSX
| versions, this release includes the first version of Renoise for Linux. This
| is rather significant news: Renoise is a popular program, with an active
| community of developers and users in the Win/Mac music worlds, and a native
| Linux release has been a community priority. The wait is over, so let's see
| (and hear) what Renoise brings to the Linux audio software party. Â* Â* Â*
`----

http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/renoise-linux


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After takin' a swig o' grog, Roy Schestowitz belched out
this bit o' wisdom:

> Renoise For Linux
>
> ,----[ Quote
>| On January 17 of this year the first beta release of Renoise 1.9.1 was
>| announced. Along with new features and fixes for its Windows and OSX
>| versions, this release includes the first version of Renoise for Linux. This
>| is rather significant news: Renoise is a popular program, with an active
>| community of developers and users in the Win/Mac music worlds, and a native
>| Linux release has been a community priority. The wait is over, so let's see
>| (and hear) what Renoise brings to the Linux audio software party. * * *
> `----
>
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/renoise-linux

The screenshots look neat. Downloading the demo now.

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For God's sake, stop researching for a while and begin to think!

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:12:08 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, Roy Schestowitz belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Renoise For Linux
>>
>> ,----[ Quote
>>| On January 17 of this year the first beta release of Renoise 1.9.1 was
>>| announced. Along with new features and fixes for its Windows and OSX |
>>versions, this release includes the first version of Renoise for Linux.
>>This | is rather significant news: Renoise is a popular program, with an
>>active | community of developers and users in the Win/Mac music worlds,
>>and a native | Linux release has been a community priority. The wait is
>>over, so let's see | (and hear) what Renoise brings to the Linux audio
>>software party.
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/renoise-linux
>
> The screenshots look neat. Downloading the demo now.

Energy-xt has a native Linux version too. It's nearer a DAW than a
tracker, but that is a good thing IMHO.

They also mention in that article that Garritan are planning a port of
their new ARIA sampler engine. It's interesting to see more commercial
audio software appearing.

So far it appears that commercial developers are using Jack/LV1+2, so
they can interface with the open source software like Ardour etc. This is
important as it means they are integrating their products into the
existing Linux audio world, rather than just doing quick and lazy ports.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:08:11 GMT, philicorda wrote:


> Energy-xt has a native Linux version too. It's nearer a DAW than a
> tracker, but that is a good thing IMHO.

I've used Energy under Windows and it's a fairly decent piece of software
for the money. The drum track is a unique feature that allows setting up
grooves quickly for ad-hoc composing. I've never tried Linux but from what
I understand it's quite difficult to get it running with low latency.
Currently I am using Nuendo 3 although I am starting to get into Reaper
which also works with Linux but through an emulator of sorts.
Both are run under Windows XP because I had a terrible experience with
Vista and ended downgrading my system back to Windows XP. It's my opinion
that Vista is a terrible choice for a digital audio workstation. Some of
the Sonar users have had luck with Vista, but most people I deal with are
staying with Windows XP or are planning to move to Apple products.

> They also mention in that article that Garritan are planning a port of
> their new ARIA sampler engine. It's interesting to see more commercial
> audio software appearing.

Garritan is a major player with their Bigband and Steinway products.
I use both and have had good results with them.

> So far it appears that commercial developers are using Jack/LV1+2, so
> they can interface with the open source software like Ardour etc. This is
> important as it means they are integrating their products into the
> existing Linux audio world, rather than just doing quick and lazy ports.

I have no idea what those programs are or do.
I would like to see Linux version's of Nuendo and Reaper.

--
Charlie Olsen
Long Live The Big Bands

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:23:47 -0400, Charlie Olsen wrote:

> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:08:11 GMT, philicorda wrote:
>
>
>> Energy-xt has a native Linux version too. It's nearer a DAW than a
>> tracker, but that is a good thing IMHO.
>
> I've used Energy under Windows and it's a fairly decent piece of
> software for the money. The drum track is a unique feature that allows
> setting up grooves quickly for ad-hoc composing. I've never tried Linux
> but from what I understand it's quite difficult to get it running with
> low latency.

Low latency can be tricky on generic distros, so many people use music
specific ones. Partly this is for security reasons, a user must have
permission for very high scheduling priorities/ real time. I think that
must seem very strange from a Windows user's point of view!

> Currently I am using Nuendo 3 although I am starting to get
> into Reaper which also works with Linux but through an emulator of
> sorts.

I've tried Reaper on Linux with WineASIO. (ASIO to Jack layer.)
The audio side worked OK, and VST plugins worked. The gui was a bit
sluggish though, enough to be irritating.

> Both are run under Windows XP because I had a terrible experience
> with Vista and ended downgrading my system back to Windows XP. It's my
> opinion that Vista is a terrible choice for a digital audio workstation.
> Some of the Sonar users have had luck with Vista, but most people I deal
> with are staying with Windows XP or are planning to move to Apple
> products.

I used to recommend 2K/XP for audio. Since Vista and the general
unpredictability of USB/Firewire interfaces, I tell people to use Macs.

I'm quite happy with an XP+Cubase rig for most of my recording at the
moment. In a few years time when that dies, I'll be on Linux or OSX.

>
>> They also mention in that article that Garritan are planning a port of
>> their new ARIA sampler engine. It's interesting to see more commercial
>> audio software appearing.
>
> Garritan is a major player with their Bigband and Steinway products. I
> use both and have had good results with them.
>
>> So far it appears that commercial developers are using Jack/LV1+2, so
>> they can interface with the open source software like Ardour etc. This
>> is important as it means they are integrating their products into the
>> existing Linux audio world, rather than just doing quick and lazy
>> ports.
>
> I have no idea what those programs are or do. I would like to see Linux
> version's of Nuendo and Reaper.

Perhaps Nuendo, as it runs on OSX/Win and so appears to have been written
with cross platform compatibility in mind. Reaper is unlikely, as it is
devoutly WIN32 and thus would be a huge job to port.

Both ports would use Jack, like all existing commercial audio software on
Linux. The basic framework for audio on Linux of ALSA+Jack is really
rather splendid compared to the somewhat ad hoc equivalents on other
operating systems.

After takin' a swig o' grog, philicorda belched out
this bit o' wisdom:

> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:12:08 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/renoise-linux
>>
>> The screenshots look neat. Downloading the demo now.
>
> Energy-xt has a native Linux version too. It's nearer a DAW than a
> tracker, but that is a good thing IMHO.

http://www.energy-xt.com/

Mentions their produc going into this Linux-based device:

http://www.indamixx.com/

Indamixx in 'New Gear' Keyboard MagazineIndamixx Poster

"More powerful than a smartphone. More streamlined than any laptop. More
music apps pre-installed than you can shake a USB cable at. Between the
plug 'n' play and the awesome mobility, this could be the box
that takes Linux into the mainstream of music creation."

Stephen Fortner, Technology Editor, KEYBOARD Magazine

That link described the devie, it looks quite interesting.
Looks like it costs about $1200.

http://www.indamixx.com/components/c...44d40ade86.jpg

> They also mention in that article that Garritan are planning a port of
> their new ARIA sampler engine. It's interesting to see more commercial
> audio software appearing.
>
> So far it appears that commercial developers are using Jack/LV1+2, so
> they can interface with the open source software like Ardour etc. This is
> important as it means they are integrating their products into the
> existing Linux audio world, rather than just doing quick and lazy ports.


--
"Let us condemn to hellfire all those who disagree with us."
-- militant religionists everywhere

After takin' a swig o' grog, philicorda belched out
this bit o' wisdom:

> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:23:47 -0400, Charlie Olsen wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:08:11 GMT, philicorda wrote:
>>
>>> Energy-xt has a native Linux version too. It's nearer a DAW than a
>>> tracker, but that is a good thing IMHO.
>>
>> I've used Energy under Windows and it's a fairly decent piece of
>> software for the money. The drum track is a unique feature that allows
>> setting up grooves quickly for ad-hoc composing. I've never tried Linux
>> but from what I understand it's quite difficult to get it running with
>> low latency.
>
> Low latency can be tricky on generic distros, so many people use music
> specific ones. Partly this is for security reasons, a user must have
> permission for very high scheduling priorities/ real time. I think that
> must seem very strange from a Windows user's point of view!

The site <http://www.indamixx.com/> indicates they configure a low-latency
kernel.

>
> <snip>
>
> I used to recommend 2K/XP for audio. Since Vista and the general
> unpredictability of USB/Firewire interfaces, I tell people to use Macs.
>
> I'm quite happy with an XP+Cubase rig for most of my recording at the
> moment. In a few years time when that dies, I'll be on Linux or OSX.
>>
>> I have no idea what those programs are or do. I would like to see Linux
>> version's of Nuendo and Reaper.
>
> Perhaps Nuendo, as it runs on OSX/Win and so appears to have been written
> with cross platform compatibility in mind. Reaper is unlikely, as it is
> devoutly WIN32 and thus would be a huge job to port.
>
> Both ports would use Jack, like all existing commercial audio software on
> Linux. The basic framework for audio on Linux of ALSA+Jack is really
> rather splendid compared to the somewhat ad hoc equivalents on other
> operating systems.

--
You don't become a failure until you're satisfied with being one.