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James
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      04-30-2005, 04:24 PM


I have owned a pair of JBL L65 speakers for many years, and I still love
them. One of them needs to have the 12 inch woofer replaced. I prefer
a replacement over a reconing.

I thought that I could simply order another woofer from JBL. But, I
cannot get JBL to respond to emails. Isn't it likely that I could find an
equally good 12 inch woofer from a third party, so that I could do the
replacment myself ?? If so, what would you recommend ??

Anyone had experience in replacing the woofer in this model ??

Can you offer any other advice ??

Thanks !!!

--James--


 
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Peter Larsen
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      04-30-2005, 05:48 PM
James wrote:

> I have owned a pair of JBL L65 speakers for many years,
> and I still love them. One of them needs to have the 12
> inch woofer replaced. I prefer a replacement over a reconing.


You omit what is wrong, it is however amazing that the foam suspensions
have not disintegrated sooner.

> I thought that I could simply order another woofer from JBL.


You can not so do, The chassis is no longer in production, to my
knowledge it has an Alnico type magnet, and those are extinct.

> But, I cannot get JBL to respond to emails.


Have you tried searching their sites, consumer as well as pro.

> Isn't it likely that I could find an equally good 12 inch
> woofer from a third party,


No. It is plain impossible.

> so that I could do the replacment myself ??


A reconing traditionally is half the price of what the unit would cost
over the counter.

> If so, what would you recommend ??


Find a qualified repairshop, preferably one that is used to dealing with
JBL. If you are really reallly lucky they have a pair of cone-kits left
on a shelf. There is one here in Denmark that might have old spareparts
around, but it is completely possible that JBL still can and will
deliver repairkits to the Jubal-woofer to an authorized retailer and
repairshop.

The nearest PA rental shop may know where to ask ....

> --James--



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Peter Larsen

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Peter Larsen
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      04-30-2005, 06:21 PM
James wrote:
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> I have owned a pair of JBL L65 speakers for many years, and I still love
> them. One of them needs to have the 12 inch woofer replaced. I prefer
> a replacement over a reconing.
>
> I thought that I could simply order another woofer from JBL. But, I
> cannot get JBL to respond to emails. Isn't it likely that I could find an
> equally good 12 inch woofer from a third party, so that I could do the
> replacment myself ?? If so, what would you recommend ??
>
> Anyone had experience in replacing the woofer in this model ??
>
> Can you offer any other advice ??


Oh, one more thing, if you in extreme folly do insist on replacing
instead of having repaired then please please please do not just discard
the old unit, nor toss it in anger, JBL magnets in usable state from
that day and age are of some value to somebody and certainly not scrap
iron.

> Thanks !!!
>
> --James--


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James
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      04-30-2005, 08:30 PM


Peter, thank you very much for the comments. But, can you please tell me
why it would be impossible to put a 12 inch woofer in this same cabinet ??

--James--


 
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Peter Larsen
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      05-01-2005, 05:00 PM
James wrote:

> Peter, thank you very much for the comments. But, can you please
> tell me why it would be impossible to put a 12 inch woofer in this
> same cabinet ??


From a physical point of view it is obviously possible. It is however
the kind of repair that is likely to be described in the service manual
for you loudspeakers as "last resort".

As an example of the issues you will encounter, and that you are
obvioulsly incompetent to do anything about, please look at the
frequency response graph of this budget 12" unit:

http://www.monacor.com/int/en/produk...tprogramm.php?
artid=2118&spr=EN&typ=u

Monacor generally makes cost-efficient stuff, and they also have
costlier models, but the probable midrange smoothness of the 12 inch
loudspeaker units in your Jubals is not easy to come by, and it is a
great part of what you paid for when you paid for JBL back then. You
have also payed for a system that is matched by listening rather than by
measurement, and such systems may be more difficult to modify to use
other units than what was in them ex works than some other systems.

It is quite possible that JBL will suggest one of their modern 12" units
as sparepart in case the repairkits no longer are available ex works.
Some repairshops still stock old parts, which is why I suggested that
you should contact an authorized repairshop.

You have still not posted what is actually wrong with the unit(s).

Again, if it is only about the front suspension the best solution may be
a third party front surround fitted by a quality repair-shop, I do not
think JBL offers front suspension repair kits, but I am not sure.

It is your loudspeakers, you will have to do the minimum effort of
contacting JBL as per the addres in the provided link you did not look
for yourself.

What appears quite difficult is to get you to understand that not all
12" woofers are alike and that the system will most likely sound like
crap if you put something other than the real thing in one of the boxes.

That said, there is no doubt that JBL has modern 12" woofers that will
fit the cabinet nicely, but you will have to get one for each box and
the cabinet will need re-tuning (x), if you are very lucky the
cross-over is a close enough match because the woofers will be only
modestly dissimilar.

(x) lengthening or shortening of the bass reflex port(s)

Follow up mostly written for the benefit of other people reading this
now or later or finding it on Google Groups, it is never constructive
just to say that some idea is not well thought out.

> --James--



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      05-01-2005, 05:48 PM
On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:24:35 -0400, "James"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>
>I have owned a pair of JBL L65 speakers for many years, and I still love
>them. One of them needs to have the 12 inch woofer replaced. I prefer
>a replacement over a reconing.
>
>I thought that I could simply order another woofer from JBL. But, I
>cannot get JBL to respond to emails. Isn't it likely that I could find an
>equally good 12 inch woofer from a third party, so that I could do the
>replacment myself ?? If so, what would you recommend ??
>
>Anyone had experience in replacing the woofer in this model ??
>
>Can you offer any other advice ??
>
>Thanks !!!
>
>--James--


I had a pair of L-65 woofers reconed, using JBL original cones/voice
coils. Result was very stiff woofers, that took several hundred
hours (!!!) to loosen up. Once they did, sound quality reverted, if
memory serves, to the original.

This was about 7 years. At the time, I was told the parts were among
the last remaining in stock. I wonder if you will be able to obtain
original cones/voice coils any more. If you can, I feel the repair
is worthwhile. There is no advantage to replaecing the basket and
magnet structure.

JBL did respond delegently to emails. They provided the parts and
labor unders warranty. For 20 year speakers, I though that was
remarkable of them.

-- Ron

 
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      05-01-2005, 08:57 PM
Peter Larsen, you are truly as ass !!!! While your posts contain helpful
information, your tone is highly arrogant.

--James--


 
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Tim Schwartz
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      05-02-2005, 01:58 AM
James,

If you really like the speakers and the way they sound, I'd consider
re-coneing a lot sooner than I'd use a different woofer. I've had good
service from Millersound Labs in Lansdale, PA.

Regards,
Tim Schwartz
Bristol Electronics



James wrote:
>
> I have owned a pair of JBL L65 speakers for many years, and I still love
> them. One of them needs to have the 12 inch woofer replaced. I prefer
> a replacement over a reconing.
>
> I thought that I could simply order another woofer from JBL. But, I
> cannot get JBL to respond to emails. Isn't it likely that I could find an
> equally good 12 inch woofer from a third party, so that I could do the
> replacment myself ?? If so, what would you recommend ??
>
> Anyone had experience in replacing the woofer in this model ??
>
> Can you offer any other advice ??
>
> Thanks !!!
>
> --James--

 
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Peter Larsen
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      05-02-2005, 02:43 PM
James wrote:

> Peter Larsen, you are truly as ass !!!!


Nah ... I didnt flame you without helping you and you got quality advice
without having to pay for it. Objectively you are as wrong about that as
you are about wanting to use just any other 12" loudspeaker.

> While your posts
> contain helpful information, your tone is highly arrogant.


Quite true, your arrogant attitude got you an intentionally arrogant and
somewhat flaming reply because of your disrespect for getting quality
advice free of charge, I am very glad that you did understand the
intended arrogance for what it is, and I do hope that you on reflection
will understand what caused it.

You do say that you like your loudspeakers and simultanously you
repeatedly ask whether any 12" loudspeaker will do, and you do it with a
perseverance that give the possibly unintended impression of gross
stupidity.

You did not seem to like me saying that you should first try to get
original spareparts, next try to get third party front suspensions if
they be the problem and you have still not bothered telling the
newsgroup you ask for help whether front suspension decay is all that
ails your loudspeakers.

> --James--



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Peter Larsen
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      05-02-2005, 07:58 PM
Ron wrote:

> >Anyone had experience in replacing the woofer in this model ??


> I had a pair of L-65 woofers reconed, using JBL original
> cones/voice coils. Result was very stiff woofers, that took
> several hundred hours (!!!) to loosen up. Once they did,
> sound quality reverted, if memory serves, to the original.


Possibly a too rigid spider because of the many years spent on a
spareparts shelf. It could be tempting in that situation to let them
play squash-fm with a modest excursion and no cabinet for a sensible
period of time, nothing extreme, +/- 1 millimeter or so.

> JBL did respond delegently to emails.


There is a contact adress listed on the loudspeaker models "homepage" on
the jbl-site, the questinee could ask them what modern model from the
JBL palette that would be a suitable replacement and what
modification(s) that might be required for them to work, change of port
lenght or so, and then sell the old units "as is" on ebay if the
suggestion of getting a third party front suspension is inapplicable.

> -- Ron



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