Need specs of Beyerdynamic M 201 N (C).02

Discussion in 'Pro Audio' started by ByTheSea, Feb 24, 2006.

  1. ByTheSea

    ByTheSea Guest

    Hello all,

    does anyone use these microphones and/ or has the original Beyerdynamic
    specs?

    Beyerdynamic M 201 N (C).02

    On the web I could find tese informations:

    - has bass roll of, not switchable (?)
    - other then that no difference to the M 201 N (C), except the silver
    finish

    I need to know

    1. if the bass roll of is indeed NOT switchable
    2. the cut off frequency

    Any help greatly appreciated.
     
    ByTheSea, Feb 24, 2006
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  2. ByTheSea

    ByTheSea Guest

    Forgot to say, I contacted Beyerdynamic, they will search their
    archives (!), people I talked to had no clue this microphone exists...
     
    ByTheSea, Feb 24, 2006
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  3. ByTheSea

    ByTheSea Guest

    Forgot to say, I contacted Beyerdynamic, they will search their
    archives (!), people I talked to had no clue this microphone exists...
     
    ByTheSea, Feb 24, 2006
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  4. ByTheSea

    Mike Rivers Guest

    ByTheSea wrote:

    > Beyerdynamic M 201 N (C).02


    > - has bass roll of, not switchable (?)
    > - other then that no difference to the M 201 N (C), except the silver
    > finish


    The (C) means that it has an XLR connector. I'm not sure what the -02
    means. It might be the silver finish, though I've never seen an M210 in
    other than basic black.

    The M201 is a decent general purpose hypercardioid mic. According to
    the frequency response plot in the catalog, there's a bit of a bass
    rolloff. It's down 2 dB at 100 Hz, and about 5 dB at 50 Hz. The high
    end starts rising about 1.5 kHz, it's about +2 dB at 3 kHz, then rises
    another 2 dB and is smooth between 5 and 10 kHz. There's another 2 dB
    hump at around 16 kHz and then it starts rollling off.

    There is no bass rolloff switch, nor do I think that it needs one.

    As usual, if you're thinking about buying one, ask the seller exactly
    what he has for sale. Just because you show some interest doesn't mean
    the price will go up. <g>
     
    Mike Rivers, Feb 24, 2006
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  5. ByTheSea

    Daniel Fuchs Guest

    Mike Rivers wrote:

    >
    > The M201 is a decent general purpose hypercardioid mic.


    I'd say it's one of the best dynamic instrumental mics out there...


    Daniel
     
    Daniel Fuchs, Feb 24, 2006
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  6. ByTheSea

    ByTheSea Guest

    Mike&Daniel, thanks for your replies. I know the M 201 N pretty well, I
    worked with them in live and recording situations. The ".02" means it
    HAS a steep bass roll off ("Trittschallfilter" as it is called in
    German), but I want to know at what exact frequency the roll off
    starts, and if it has a switch to turn it on & off.

    I'm awaiting a response by Beyerdynamic, but from previous requests I
    know their pretty s l o w when you ask them for information about older
    products. Hence I started this thread.

    Anyone out there who owns the ".02" version of this mic and who might
    have the manual & specs...?

    Cheers, Fabian
     
    ByTheSea, Feb 24, 2006
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    Ty Ford Guest

    On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:19:41 -0500, ByTheSea wrote
    (in article <>):

    > Forgot to say, I contacted Beyerdynamic, they will search their
    > archives (!), people I talked to had no clue this microphone exists...
    >


    which beyer location?

    Ty Ford


    -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
    stuff are at www.tyford.com
     
    Ty Ford, Feb 24, 2006
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  8. ByTheSea

    ByTheSea Guest

    Which Beyerdynamic location? Right here at the German Headquarter...
    but meanwhile I got a useful response from a member of gearslutz.com:

    M 201 N (C).02

    roll off not switchable
    roll off starts at 80Hz

    that's all I needed to know... maybe this will be of any use for
    somebody else one day :)
     
    ByTheSea, Feb 24, 2006
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  9. ByTheSea

    Mike Rivers Guest

    ByTheSea wrote:

    > I got a useful response from a member of gearslutz.com:


    > roll off not switchable
    > roll off starts at 80Hz


    I wonder if he was looking at the 02 specifically. The graph that I
    described could be described as "roloff starts at 80 Hz" as well. So
    maybe that's not all you need to know, but now you know it twice.
     
    Mike Rivers, Feb 24, 2006
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  10. ByTheSea

    ByTheSea Guest

    Mike, yes, I was looking specifically for the ".02" specs, for what
    makes that model different compared to a M 201 N. I think that was
    clear in the first post, sorry if it wasn't.

    You're right, the M 201 N graph could be described with a soft roll off
    around 80 Hz.

    I will try to get the original ".02" graph send to me to see what's
    going on there around 80 Hz.
     
    ByTheSea, Feb 25, 2006
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  11. ByTheSea

    Mike Rivers Guest

    ByTheSea wrote:
    > Mike, yes, I was looking specifically for the ".02" specs, for what
    > makes that model different compared to a M 201 N. I think that was
    > clear in the first post, sorry if it wasn't.


    Perfectly clear. I was suggesting that what the person on Gearslutz
    described to you might have been the model without the 02. He may have
    been looking at the same thing I have. I have several Beyer catalogs
    and none of them have an 02. It might have been a version that never
    made it to the US.

    Let us know if you ever get something concrete from Beyer.
     
    Mike Rivers, Feb 25, 2006
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  12. ByTheSea

    ByTheSea Guest

    Apparently this ".02" version was aiming at the conference market,
    where the microphone was used as a "speaker's microphone", Beyerdynamic
    sold it with a XLR-gooseneck in black and silver. If I ever hear from
    Beyer I will post it here. Patience... ;-)
     
    ByTheSea, Feb 25, 2006
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  13. Hi there,

    I have just bought two of these microphones on ebay.
    They haven't arrived yet, but when they are here, I could check them
    for any switches.
    I must say that I hardly know anything about recording and microphones,
    but if there are any questions that someone like me could answer, I
    would be happy to do so.
    I'm also interested, what the differences between this one and the
    regular m 201 are.

    Cheers, Sven
     
    drumsandbeats, Mar 1, 2006
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    Mike Rivers Guest

    drumsandbeats wrote:

    > I have just bought two of these microphones on ebay.


    > I must say that I hardly know anything about recording and microphones,
    > but if there are any questions that someone like me could answer, I
    > would be happy to do so.


    Here's one you can answer. Given what you know and don't know, why did
    you decide to buy those mics?
     
    Mike Rivers, Mar 1, 2006
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  15. Mike Rivers schrieb:

    > Here's one you can answer. Given what you know and don't know, why did
    > you decide to buy those mics?


    I was looking for a microphone to easily record rehearsals and ideas
    and to use as overheads or percussion-mics on stage. I'm a drummer and
    percussionist.
    I was told, the m-201 was a good microphone for my needs.
    Unfortunately I didn't do enough research before the auction ended, so
    I just found out now (here), that there is this low frequency roll-off.
    (Actually now I saw, that this was even mentioned in the auction...)

    Cheers,
    Sven
     
    drumsandbeats, Mar 1, 2006
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  16. ByTheSea

    Mike Rivers Guest

    drumsandbeats wrote:

    > I was looking for a microphone to easily record rehearsals and ideas
    > and to use as overheads or percussion-mics on stage. I'm a drummer and
    > percussionist.
    > I was told, the m-201 was a good microphone for my needs.


    That was a good answer. You were told right. The low frequency rolloff
    probably won't hurt for drum overheads and most percussion, in fact it
    might even help, but it's too bad you didn't know about it when you
    bought the mics. They're certainly worth trying.

    I suppose that if you find that the low end is lacking - like you were
    hoping to pick up some floor tom and it's not there - you could fuss
    with the seller and return them, but chances are that even if he didn't
    know himself, when you pointed it out to him, he'd say "well, I posted
    the model number and you should have known what you were buying." eBay
    sellers are sometimes like that, and sometimes not.

    I suspect that you'll be OK though. Maybe you ended up winning the same
    ones that the original poster was looking at? <g>
     
    Mike Rivers, Mar 1, 2006
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  17. Well, the seller had clearly pointed out, that there is a low frequency
    roll-off. It was my fault, not to think about that.

    I will certainly give them a try. I guess I might not pick up all the
    low frequencies I would like to, when recording a band-rehearsal. I
    have to see, what an EQ can do about that.

    Thanks for your hints and concern.

    Sven
     
    drumsandbeats, Mar 1, 2006
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  18. Just found this:
    216.245.175.12/AVCAT/images/documents/pdfs/M_201.pdf

    In that document is written, that the M210 N (C).02 has a bass roll-off
    switch. I'm confused... But in a few days I will know for sure.
     
    drumsandbeats, Mar 1, 2006
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  19. ByTheSea

    Mike Rivers Guest

    drumsandbeats wrote:

    > I will certainly give them a try. I guess I might not pick up all the
    > low frequencies I would like to, when recording a band-rehearsal. I
    > have to see, what an EQ can do about that.


    EQ won't put back what's not there, but give them a try. The bass
    rolloff is there because there are some situations where you'd want
    that. You might find that it works well when placed close to an
    acoustic guitar or with a good pop screen for a close vocal, where the
    proximity effect would cause a low frequency rise.
     
    Mike Rivers, Mar 1, 2006
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