Occasionally, during one of our long threads about vinyl vs.
digital,someone suggests the invention of a "vinylizer," a knob that
can dial in any amount of the various distortions characteristic of
vinyl playback. Well, it isn't that simple yet, but technology finds a
way:

http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/

bob

"Frank" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Il 25/07/2010 23.49, bob ha scritto:
>> Occasionally, during one of our long threads about vinyl
>> vs. digital,someone suggests the invention of a
>> "vinylizer," a knob that can dial in any amount of the
>> various distortions characteristic of vinyl playback.
>> Well, it isn't that simple yet, but technology finds a
>> way:
>>
>> http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/
>>
>> bob
>>
>
>
> .. various distortions?

Read the web site?

Mechanical Noise - The amount of turntable motor rumble and noise
Electrical Noise - Internally generated electrical noise, such as 60 Hz
grounding hum
Wear Control - how worn out the record is, from brand new to played a few
thousand times
Dust - The amount of dust on the record
Scratch -The number and depth of scratches on the record
Warp -The amount of warping and the warp shape for the record - from no warp
to the edges totally melted and warped

These are all common to vinyl playback, and generally when they are reduced
as much as the art allows by traditional means, they are still audible.

Also, a number of kinds of common vinyl-related distoritons are not
mentioned including:

Tracking distortion
Tracing distortion
Flutter

"bob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Occasionally, during one of our long threads about vinyl vs.
> digital,someone suggests the invention of a "vinylizer," a knob that
> can dial in any amount of the various distortions characteristic of
> vinyl playback. Well, it isn't that simple yet, but technology finds a
> way:
>
> http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/

i use 'tapelyzer' lately: connect your cd to cassette deck, fiddle a little
with levels, bias and dolby, and enjoy pure analog sounding cd material

bob wrote:
> Occasionally, during one of our long threads about vinyl vs.
> digital,someone suggests the invention of a "vinylizer," a knob that
> can dial in any amount of the various distortions characteristic of
> vinyl playback. Well, it isn't that simple yet, but technology finds a
> way:
>
> http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/

I am coming out with an entire line of useful tools like this:
there's "Waxilizer," "Shellacilizer", and many others. And for
video, I am about to release "camera-in-the-hat-piratizer".

--
+--------------------------------+
+ Dick Pierce |
+ Professional Audio Development |
+--------------------------------+

On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:30:20 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article <(E-Mail Removed)>):

> "Frank" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)
>> Il 25/07/2010 23.49, bob ha scritto:
>>> Occasionally, during one of our long threads about vinyl
>>> vs. digital,someone suggests the invention of a
>>> "vinylizer," a knob that can dial in any amount of the
>>> various distortions characteristic of vinyl playback.
>>> Well, it isn't that simple yet, but technology finds a
>>> way:
>>>
>>> http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/
>>>
>>> bob
>>>
>>
>>
>> .. various distortions?
>
> Read the web site?
>
> Mechanical Noise - The amount of turntable motor rumble and noise
> Electrical Noise - Internally generated electrical noise, such as 60 Hz
> grounding hum
> Wear Control - how worn out the record is, from brand new to played a few
> thousand times
> Dust - The amount of dust on the record
> Scratch -The number and depth of scratches on the record
> Warp -The amount of warping and the warp shape for the record - from no warp
> to the edges totally melted and warped
>
> These are all common to vinyl playback, and generally when they are reduced
> as much as the art allows by traditional means, they are still audible.
>
> Also, a number of kinds of common vinyl-related distoritons are not
> mentioned including:
>
> Tracking distortion
> Tracing distortion
> Flutter

Why would anybody want to add the BAD things about vinyl to their CD
playback? These are things that I take great care to avoid by handling my
vinyl record collection correctly and taking great care to keep them clean,
dust and warp free. I listen to records because they still give me a great
deal of listening pleasure and the the things that this "Vinylizer" brings to
the party, are those very things that I strive to avoid. How about a "CDizer"
a device that adds the harshness and a flat sound stage with poor imaging
that characterized many early CDs and players to modern CD playback? Makes no
sense.

"Audio Empire" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:30:20 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
> (in article <(E-Mail Removed)>):
>
>> "Frank" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)
>>> Il 25/07/2010 23.49, bob ha scritto:
>>>> Occasionally, during one of our long threads about
>>>> vinyl vs. digital,someone suggests the invention of a
>>>> "vinylizer," a knob that can dial in any amount of the
>>>> various distortions characteristic of vinyl playback.
>>>> Well, it isn't that simple yet, but technology finds a
>>>> way:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/
>>>>
>>>> bob
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .. various distortions?
>>
>> Read the web site?
>>
>> Mechanical Noise - The amount of turntable motor rumble
>> and noise Electrical Noise - Internally generated
>> electrical noise, such as 60 Hz grounding hum
>> Wear Control - how worn out the record is, from brand
>> new to played a few thousand times
>> Dust - The amount of dust on the record
>> Scratch -The number and depth of scratches on the record
>> Warp -The amount of warping and the warp shape for the
>> record - from no warp to the edges totally melted and
>> warped
>>
>> These are all common to vinyl playback, and generally
>> when they are reduced as much as the art allows by
>> traditional means, they are still audible.
>>
>> Also, a number of kinds of common vinyl-related
>> distoritons are not mentioned including:

>> Tracking distortion
>> Tracing distortion
>> Flutter

> Why would anybody want to add the BAD things about vinyl
> to their CD playback?

Sentimentality.

>These are things that I take great
> care to avoid by handling my vinyl record collection
> correctly and taking great care to keep them clean, dust
> and warp free.

That helps, but it does not completely resolve the problems.

> I listen to records because they still
> give me a great deal of listening pleasure and the the
> things that this "Vinylizer" brings to the party, are
> those very things that I strive to avoid.

The only way to totally avoid them is to avoid vinyl.

> How about a
> "CDizer" a device that adds the harshness and a flat
> sound stage with poor imaging that characterized many
> early CDs and players to modern CD playback?

That's just bad mastering, and there is no method to its madness.

> Makes no sense.

Some people do the darnedest things!

On Jul 25, 2:49=A0pm, bob <nabo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Occasionally, during one of our long threads about vinyl vs.
> digital,someone suggests the invention of a "vinylizer," a knob that
> can dial in any amount of the various distortions characteristic of
> vinyl playback. Well, it isn't that simple yet, but technology finds a
> way:
>
> http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/
>
> bob

Too bad this one completely missed the mark. It would be a good idea
if it were done right without the cyncism. Maybe somebody who gets
vinyl will make something that will actually do the job.

"Scott" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Jul 25, 2:49=A0pm, bob <nabo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Occasionally, during one of our long threads about vinyl
>> vs. digital,someone suggests the invention of a
>> "vinylizer," a knob that can dial in any amount of the
>> various distortions characteristic of vinyl playback.
>> Well, it isn't that simple yet, but technology finds a
>> way:

>> http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/

> Too bad this one completely missed the mark. It would be
> a good idea if it were done right without the cyncism.
> Maybe somebody who gets vinyl will make something that
> will actually do the job.

What is "getting vinyl"?

The facts about vinyl in approximate order of importance to most people:

(1) Playing vinyl can be a means for accessing music that was never deemed
to be commercially worthy of rerecording on digital.

(2) Playing vinyl can be a means for obtaining a different approach to
mastering for recordings that were not treated in accordance with our
preferences when it was recorded on digital.

(3) Playing vinyl can be a sentimental act, a trip down memory lane.

The Vinylizer seems to be a heavy-handed approximation that tries to address
the third item on the list.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:03:35 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article <(E-Mail Removed)>):

> "Audio Empire" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:30:20 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
>> (in article <(E-Mail Removed)>):
>>
>>> "Frank" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)
>>>> Il 25/07/2010 23.49, bob ha scritto:
>>>>> Occasionally, during one of our long threads about
>>>>> vinyl vs. digital,someone suggests the invention of a
>>>>> "vinylizer," a knob that can dial in any amount of the
>>>>> various distortions characteristic of vinyl playback.
>>>>> Well, it isn't that simple yet, but technology finds a
>>>>> way:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/
>>>>>
>>>>> bob
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .. various distortions?
>>>
>>> Read the web site?
>>>
>>> Mechanical Noise - The amount of turntable motor rumble
>>> and noise Electrical Noise - Internally generated
>>> electrical noise, such as 60 Hz grounding hum
>>> Wear Control - how worn out the record is, from brand
>>> new to played a few thousand times
>>> Dust - The amount of dust on the record
>>> Scratch -The number and depth of scratches on the record
>>> Warp -The amount of warping and the warp shape for the
>>> record - from no warp to the edges totally melted and
>>> warped
>>>
>>> These are all common to vinyl playback, and generally
>>> when they are reduced as much as the art allows by
>>> traditional means, they are still audible.
>>>
>>> Also, a number of kinds of common vinyl-related
>>> distoritons are not mentioned including:
>
>>> Tracking distortion
>>> Tracing distortion
>>> Flutter
>
>> Why would anybody want to add the BAD things about vinyl
>> to their CD playback?
>
> Sentimentality.

Balderdash and blarney! There are things from vinyl playback that I might
WANT to add to a CD (like musicality and warmth and a sense of real
instruments playing in real space), but the above mentioned vinyl artifacts
are not among them.

>> These are things that I take great
>> care to avoid by handling my vinyl record collection
>> correctly and taking great care to keep them clean, dust
>> and warp free.
>
> That helps, but it does not completely resolve the problems.

Of course it doesn't, but that's beside the point. The point is who would
WANT to add those things to a medium that doesn't have them?

>> I listen to records because they still
>> give me a great deal of listening pleasure and the the
>> things that this "Vinylizer" brings to the party, are
>> those very things that I strive to avoid.
>
> The only way to totally avoid them is to avoid vinyl.

Yeah, like anybody with a large record collection is dumb enough to do that!

>> How about a
>> "CDizer" a device that adds the harshness and a flat
>> sound stage with poor imaging that characterized many
>> early CDs and players to modern CD playback?
>
> That's just bad mastering, and there is no method to its madness.

That's not the point either. The point is, that just like with the
"Vinylizer", nobody is going to want to relive those days and those problems.


>> Makes no sense.
>
> Some people do the darnedest things!

Yeah, that's for sure. Many people throw babies out with bath water too.

"Audio Empire" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:03:35 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
> (in article <(E-Mail Removed)>):

>> "Audio Empire" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)

>>> Why would anybody want to add the BAD things about vinyl
>>> to their CD playback?

>> Sentimentality.

> Balderdash and blarney! There are things from vinyl
> playback that I might WANT to add to a CD (like
> musicality and warmth and a sense of real instruments
> playing in real space), but the above mentioned vinyl
> artifacts are not among them.

I never said otherwise.

If you want to add warmth, there are always equalizers. Of course equalizing
warmth into a badly-mastered recordings (and cold-sounding LPs definately
exist) takes skill and effort that many lack.

>>> These are things that I take great
>>> care to avoid by handling my vinyl record collection
>>> correctly and taking great care to keep them clean, dust
>>> and warp free.
>>
>> That helps, but it does not completely resolve the
>> problems.

> Of course it doesn't, but that's beside the point. The
> point is who would WANT to add those things to a medium
> that doesn't have them?

Like I said, sentimentality.

I still remember obtaining a MP3 of a LP transfer of a jazz number that I
used to listen to frequently back in the days of vinyl. Yes it was a little
harsh and reedy like vinyl can be and there were tics and pops, but it
brought back memories of a certain hot summer night, and enough said in
public about that one! ;-) The tics and pops even had the sharp slightly
ringy quality that one of my old cartridges, maybe an Empire 108, had.


>>> I listen to records because they still
>>> give me a great deal of listening pleasure and the the
>>> things that this "Vinylizer" brings to the party, are
>>> those very things that I strive to avoid.
>>
>> The only way to totally avoid them is to avoid vinyl.
>
> Yeah, like anybody with a large record collection is dumb
> enough to do that!

My large record collection magically transformed itself into CDs through the
magic of reselling the LPs before they lost much of their value.

>>> How about a
>>> "CDizer" a device that adds the harshness and a flat
>>> sound stage with poor imaging that characterized many
>>> early CDs and players to modern CD playback?
>>
>> That's just bad mastering, and there is no method to its
>> madness.
>
> That's not the point either.

Why not?