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    Gambit Junior Vice President

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    Well, thanks to Penance for letting me have a play with this.
    I've only given it a cursory quick A/B against my MF Nu-Vista speaker cable, but it doesn't seem bad at all... in fact, I'd go so far as to say it does somethings better than the MF. Bearing in mind I only played one track, Lateralus from Tool's album of the same name, the drums seemed to have an extra dimention on the FFRC - I could really notice a growing beat in the intro which seemed to be coming from behind my back wall. I might have jumped the gun on this one and come Sunday I'll give it a fairly decent coupla hours (can't tonight or tomorrow or sat - band, band, beer :D) but initial impressions are good for something which isn't too costly to knock together as far as I can see.

    Again, thanks to Penance.
     
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    Not familiar with the Nu-Vista speaker cable, although I believe Wm has had some pass through here. How much does it retail for?

    Cheers
     
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    I think it's about £300. I dunno, I borrowed it from work :D
     
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    Interesting results Stu.
    I went from FFRC to 2.5^2 T&E and found that better. Now useing Isolda;)
     
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    Sorry to hijack the thread:

    Penance - is that 2.5mm T&E? I'm wanting to try some of this stuff but hadn't realised you can go that thick, if you see what I mean, thinking that 1.5mm would be about right. Want length of cable run are you using?
     
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    Hi Goomer
    yep it was the same as the cable for socket circuits. 64p a meter in B&Q, easily terminated into banana plugs. TBH at the cost you could try both 1.5 and 2.5.
    I have 5M runs.
     
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    I ought to ask sometime, may as well be now... What does T&E stand for?
     
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    Nice one - thank you, Penance, much appreciated.

    For those that know, is this stuff suitable for use with a Naim pre/power setup feeding non-Naim speakers?

    Twin and Earth
     
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    I may as well ask now....! whats FFRC!!?
     
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    Full Frequency Response Cable

    tad optimistic in the nameing ;)
     
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    :shame:
     
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    Ah right......interesting reading...an improvement on my giveaway Richer cable?
    Do you use T&E cable in the same way as you use the Cat 5 in the article?
    Interested in this cus I aquired some EPOS ES11 speakers the other day and they just have 4 banana plug terminals on the back and no way to use my 2 strand Richer cable. I figure I either have to whip the back off and bridge the connections or get some new cable. Incidently my A400 only has one set of binding posts. What to do?! Don't want to spend too much cus these speakers have a metal tweeter which I'm worried will be too bright for my amp anyway. After all your advice I fked up and got 2 sets of speakers...both with metal tweeters, Mission 751 sound crap and grey, hoping the Epos will be better.
    :(
    HM
     
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    penance Arrogant Cock

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    Just join the terminals on the back, black to black and red to red
     
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    bottleneck talks a load of rubbish

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    Are you sure the banana connectors dont unscrew to take bare thread? that would be normal.

    If not, you dont need to get new cable, you can solder them on easily enough, just pop to maplins, should cost you pennies for a couple of banana plugs.

    As penance said, you run a bit of cable from BLACK to BLACK, and RED to RED - a bit of speaker wire is ideal. Again, you normally do that by unscrewing the thread a little and putting it through the hole in the middle. Most people use a bit of speaker cable.

    You may find a different sound when you put the cable in the bass sockets to when you put it in the treble sockets. You'll probably want to try both...

    NB Have you heard the ES11's yet?
    Hope you like them.
     
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    Thing is its just literally holes for banana plugs....no posts, nuffin to unscrew, which is why I thought about opening the speakers up and bridging them inside so I could just use 2 of the holes...otherwise bit of a Banana plug stack at the back which will deteriorate signal no?
    Problem is Front of speaker is just a sealed moulded unit...can't get into them very easily as far as I can see.
    HM
     
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    bottleneck talks a load of rubbish

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    Thats odd mate!

    In that case I would... I think they call it ''shotgun''.

    Basically get 2 runs of cable 2 black and 2 red.... twisting the 2 black together at the amp end, and the 2 red together at amp end.
    A bit like this..



    amp(black) -------< speaker (black)
    (black) -------< speaker (red)

    You could try it with some 50p per metre mains flex from B&Q just to see what you think of it that way..
     
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    Is odd! can imagine face when I opened the box!:confused: just wanted to set them up. Anyway, know if I can get some kind of bridging banana type thing...2 plugs into one. Otherwise I might aswell spend a bit more and make some FFRC cable? Could twist that the same way couldn't I?
     
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    bottleneck talks a load of rubbish

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    Suppose if you were adverse to soldering for some reason, you could get banana plugs with screw threads like these.

    [​IMG]

    I suppose theres no reason why you couldnt fit 4 in the speakers, and then thread the single piece of wire through the two red, and the other wire through the two black, scewing down on the cable.

    Personally I would do what I said before, but its up to you :)
     
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    Well that looks like a great idea doesn't it!? Where you get them from? I'd prefer to do that as it looks pretty easy...would just have to strip back an extra inch on the cable.
     
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