French LS3/5a site

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    tones compulsive cantater

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    For those interested in what is said à l'autre cÃ'té de la Manche (yes, Dom, I know, I know...). It's relatively new, but moderator JérÃ'me seems to be making a good fist of it.

    http://www.ls3-5a-forum.com/cgi-bin/yabb//YaBB.pl
     
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    No matter how many times I hear it, I just can't get that expression to sound like a compliment.... :D



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    tones compulsive cantater

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    Must Try Harder.
     
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    Rodrigo de Sá This club's crushing bore

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    Mon Cher Tones:

    Vous avez une réponse la-bas.
     
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    Re: Re: French LS3/5a site

    Vraiment? Merci d'avance!
     
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    Rodrigo de Sá This club's crushing bore

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    Dear Tones:

    It seems the link went crazy. Anyway, here is the answer:

    Merci, Tones, d'avoir fait référence au lien de l'oeuvre d'orgue de JS Bach. Si nous causions ici, on doit décider si nous nous vousvoyons ou tutoyons. Je vousvoye presque tout le monde – ma femme aussi – je ne tutoye que quelques uns de mes frères! Donc c'est plus facile pour moi d'utiliser le vous.

    C'est vrai, la France prends l'orgue au sérieux – peut-être même plus que l'Allemagne ce qui est quand-même étonnant étant donné que les maîtres les plus connus sont des Allemands (Bach, Reger, Buxtehude – qui était Danois mais travaillait en Allemagne).

    Mais la France a Grigny – épatant – et toute l'école romantique, Cavaillé-Coll (qui était à moité Espagnol, César Franck, qui était Belge (mais oui, je plaisante!) et puis, à mon avis un des compositeurs les plus importants pour l'orgue toutes époques confondues : Maurice Duruflé. Bien sur, aussi Messiaen.

    Cette attention portée à l'orgue se traduit par de très nombreux instruments de très haute qualité et, conséquence et cause, par de nombreux organistes.

    Une petite précision. Foccroulle est Belge (liègeois, en fait).

    Il faut aussi faire référence à Olivier Vernet qui vient de signer une intégrale remarquable.

    En ce qui concerne Jean Guillou, je ne peut que dire qu'il est un virtuose phénoménal et qu'il est un organiste charismatique. Mais si vous me demandez si j'aime vraiment ses interprétations de Bach je dois dire que je ne le trouve pas vraiment convainquant. Il y a un élément d'exotisme cherché qui m'agace un peu – trop souvent il semble jouer de façon à étonner le bourgeois. Ceci dit, il a beaucoup fait pour donner de l'orgue une image moderne. Ce n'est pas rien.

    RdS
     
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    Le francais fait *russe* d'effet quand on emploie les accents que le *software* du forum n'accepte pas. :D

    Le cas echeant; 'Vaut mieux ne pas les utiliser!

    Moi, je tutoie avec tous ce que j'ai rencontre; avec le reste je vousvoie.
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    L'appetit vient en mangeant...
     
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    tones compulsive cantater

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    Thanks, RdS, I had the same problem when I tried to get through.

    One of the joys of English is that it junked the "tu/vous" business (or "du/Sie" as it is in German), where tu/du are theoretically reserved for God, close friends, small children and animals (and if you're being deliberately rude!). German conversations, where some are "du" and others "Sie" can be incredibly unwieldy! The English version was thou. It is used in the King James Bible (early 1600s) but even then it was regarded as old-fashioned. Plain, simple "you" for everyone and singular and plural solves a lot of problems.
     
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    Tones,

    Pourquoi le site ne marche plus ???
     
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    Aucune idée!
     
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    Trop de visiteurs après le lien d'ici, à mon avis!
     
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    Peut-être..

    In this case, perhaps they could sing along with Carmen:

    Peut-être jamais
    Peut-être demain
    Mais pas aujourd'hui, c'est certain!
     
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    Il est a great joy de rencontrer so viele multilingual people auf diesem Forum!
     
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    Mindestens versuchen wir, etwas zu sagen, statt sitzen und schweigen!
     
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    Mm, I believe 'thou' was the "familiar" term, and 'you' the formal one.

    Muitas línguas neste thread. :p

    Dunc
     
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    tones compulsive cantater

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    That's what I said! In Switzerland, you make an agreement with people to address each other henceforth as "du". This is nice, but it means that you have to learn to conjugate the rotten verb! If you use Sie, you can use the infinitive, except in the case of sein (to be), apparently the most awkward verb in any language.
     
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    hmm, my vote would be the Japanese verb "itadekimasu". Not so much the conjugation as the meaning, which can be roughly translated as: "would you give me the honour of letting me help myself". It's when the transitive/intransitive thing is spread thinly in the conditional that it can be truely confusing...
    I comfort myself with the fact that Chinese is far harder to learn than Japanese.
    Oh and the site is now "provisoirement Indisponible" probably the result of my post on the Harbeth C7s vs. all comers. It's amazing how decrepit my French writing has become after only 10 years away. Embarrasing and amazing.
     
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    I was thinking more in the irregularity of the thing, Joel, rather than the meaning. Certainly in both German and French (and of course in English) "to be" is bizarre.

    So it was you who blew it up, eh? Poor JérÃ'me!
     
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    joel Shaman of Signals

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    Tones,
    Fair enough, I caouldn't really make a direct comparison since Japanese conjugation (and tense) simply does not work in the same way. But for sheer knuckle-chewing trickiness this Japanese verb has few peers IME. And that's before we get onto the triple-forked tongue uber-polite "Keigo" forms (which I have never bothered with).
    Doubly poor Jerome, since I was going to start ranting on about very large JBLs and Tannoys. Maybe lucky Jerome!
    I'm sure it will be back.
     
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    Oh, sorry, didn't realise. :eek:

    Dunc
     
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