Importance of cables?

Discussion in 'Pro Audio' started by Brian, Apr 20, 2004.

  1. Brian

    Brian Guest

    I know this tends to be a touchy subject. In any case, I was wondering what
    brand of cables people recommend. Basically, my recording chain is as
    follows:


    guitar----->amp------->speaker cab
    _________
    | |
    | O O |
    __________
    mic1 mic2


    mic1------>great river 1nv------>Lynx2
    mic2------>RNP--------------->Lynx2


    I am just curious if I should invest in top brand cables.

    regards,

    brian
     
    Brian, Apr 20, 2004
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  2. This is one of the least useful things you can ask here if you actually
    want an answer. You are going to get two answers:

    1) No, just get any cable of high quality construction
    2) Yes, buy brand X

    and a lot of "discussion" between respondents. As first respondent (on my
    server, at least), I'd advise going with (1).
     
    Mark Tranchant, Apr 20, 2004
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  3. Brian

    Mike Rivers Guest

    Depends on what you consider "top brand." Canare, yes. Monster, no.



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    Mike Rivers, Apr 20, 2004
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  4. Brian

    Brian Guest

    What is a good middle of the road brand? I need guitar cables, XLR, male XLR
    to male 1/4", female XLR to male 1/4", male 1/4" to male 1/4".

    And my Lynx2 has XLR inputs, the Great River 1NV has XLR output and 1/4"
    out. Which output on the GR is preferred? Does it matter? If I use its XLR
    out, would I use a regular XLR cable (i.e. like a 25 footer I use to connect
    a mic to the GR) to connect it to the Lynx2?

    thanks,

    brian
     
    Brian, Apr 20, 2004
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  5. Brian

    Carey Carlan Guest

    The answers here will be better than RAO or RAHE.

    My answer: Avoid the "audiophile" stuff like Monster. It's way
    overpriced. Canare, Mogami, Belden, and others make excellent cable that
    is both flexible and has good electrical characteristics.

    The question is "How long?" If you're running 20 feet, just about any well
    shielded cable works OK.
     
    Carey Carlan, Apr 20, 2004
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  6. (1) definately is the correct answer.

    I would like to add that connectors are often the most important part of a
    cable as this is where they tend to break.

    The only cable that I would pay particular attention to is the guitar cable.
    This is where you are likely to pick up the most noise as it is an
    unbalanced cable and is at very low signal level.

    Anthony Gosnell
     
    anthony.gosnell, Apr 20, 2004
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  7. Brian

    Arny Krueger Guest

    Good question for you to answer, Powell. Show us how it is done.
    You want manufacturer's sites? Why not look up the addresses in one of those
    equipment directories that you like to rant about, Powell.
    See former comment.
    Price/performance, just like Bose.
     
    Arny Krueger, Apr 20, 2004
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  8. Brian

    Paul Stamler Guest

    I'd say get better cable than the cheap crap from the music store, but you
    probably will hear little or no difference between good middle-of-the-road
    cables and the high-priced spread.

    Good middle-of-the-road ones include the aforementioned Canare and Mogami; I
    also like Gotham cable, which seems to be exceptionally RFI-proof. I believe
    Mogami is now available at G----r C----r.

    By the way, a philosophical thing: Arny said:

    <<Audio is about majoring in majors and not majoring in minors. Small
    differences in cables often lurk behind major differences in price and/or
    hype. You've got bigger fish to fry - go get 'em.>>

    I'm not sure I agree. Once the big fish are fried (right microphone in the
    right spot, run through the right electronics) I find that the more T's I
    cross and I's I dot, the better the final product is, in small ways that are
    cumulative. Little things -- cable choice, use of shock-mounts even when
    there's not an obvious problem, cleaning of contacts regularly, etc. -- do
    add up to a recording that has fewer barriers between the music and the
    listener, which is my main goal. Sure, sweat the big stuff first, but sweat
    the details too.

    Peace,
    Paul
     
    Paul Stamler, Apr 20, 2004
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  9. Brian

    S O'Neill Guest


    What is it that you particularly like about Monster? The stock dividends?
     
    S O'Neill, Apr 20, 2004
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  10. Brian

    Carey Carlan Guest

    Arny, you're feeding the trolls again.
     
    Carey Carlan, Apr 20, 2004
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  11. Brian

    agent86 Guest

    Some immutable truths of the universe:
    1. Wire is wire.
    2. Amps are amps. (not "is")
    3. Volts are volts.
    4. Watts are watts.
    5. Powell is a moron.
    6. Monster is overpriced.
     
    agent86, Apr 20, 2004
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  12. Brian

    Scott Dorsey Guest

    The phenomenal dealer markup. The cables are about as good as the usual
    Gepco/Mogami/Gotham/Canare grade of material. But they cost substantially
    more money for basically the same cable. I object to paying for their
    marketing rather than for actual product.
    --scott
     
    Scott Dorsey, Apr 20, 2004
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  13. Brian

    hank alrich Guest

    Some people would buy a shit mic preamp with the little money they have
    left after buying all their monster cables, dude. After all, preamps is
    preamps.
     
    hank alrich, Apr 20, 2004
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  14. Brian

    hank alrich Guest

    7. Still no cure for Usenet canker.
     
    hank alrich, Apr 20, 2004
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  15. The sight of site when you mean cite makes one sigh, si?
     
    Darrell Klein, Apr 21, 2004
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  16. Brian

    hank alrich Guest

    I make my own guitar cables out of good wire and good connectors. They
    last me so long I can still use the ones I built in the mid-1970's. And
    I didn't spend a penny on advertising, nor enter a Guitar Center. You
    realize that HOSA offers exactly the same guarantee that Monster offers?
     
    hank alrich, Apr 21, 2004
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  17. Brian

    hank alrich Guest

    No shite.
    Oh, ah spent all mah munny on monser kable
    an' ah wanda bye a preamp but i wuzzunt able
    then ah herd sumthin kinda lak a duck fart
    so ah wen to duh stoar and got sumthin from art
     
    hank alrich, Apr 21, 2004
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  18. Brian

    Arny Krueger Guest

    Paul, I don't know where the disagreement is. I said something about the
    very minor differences between Monster cable and other good-quality cables.
    You just said something about the (large) differences due to microphone
    choice (big agreement!) microphone positioning (big agreement!) and choice
    of electronics (big agreement!).
    Shock mounts? (big agreement!).

    I guess cleaning contacts can be an issue in certain contexts.

    Now Paul you circle back to "Cable choice". This would again depend on
    context. Is this "cable choice" as applied to "Monster Interlink Z200i
    Reference XLR" ($99) in comparison to Canare Starquad with Neutrik
    connectors ($25), or what?
    I think this thread is about what constitutes important details.
     
    Arny Krueger, Apr 21, 2004
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  19. Brian

    Steve King Guest

    Why does anyone reply to this thoroughly despicable person?

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Apr 21, 2004
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  20. What's so bad about these cables? And which particular ones out of
    the many possible are you referring to? Is everything that Mogami
    makes bad? Funny, I've used Monster (the cheap version) and Mogami
    (2534) at the same time and never noticed huge differences or ended up
    with usable and unusable tracks. The Blue Cranberry and Blueberry
    also sound good to my ears.

    I personally won't buy Monster because they are too expensive compared
    to other products that work just as well, and I don't need the
    replacement warranty either. Most of my cables still work fine after
    almost 20 years, so I don't see 'wear out' as a real factor.

    What is your relationship to the people that make and sell Monster
    cables? I can't seem to identify anything other than brand oriented
    cheerleading to your logic, and honestly, that sort of stuff doesn't
    float well around here.


    Regards,

    Monte McGuire
     
    Monte P McGuire, Apr 21, 2004
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