Musing following some cable posts...

Discussion in 'Hi-Fi and General Audio' started by zanash, Jul 5, 2007.

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    Dev Moderator

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    Rubbish!

    No rational person has said that "everything sounds the same". This is your (along with a few others) perception and this is exactly what is wrong with all the cable debates. I.e. not listening.
     
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    Following comments on this thread - Im doing a sanity check - I have 2 sets of RCA outs on my Dac In one I have slotted in a 2m length of of video shop £4.99 IC. In the other output I have some Audionote 1m silver stuff on loan from a mate - £200 ish I think he said.

    Checking quickly - I think can hear a difference I have no one in the house patient enough to help me with blind testing

    Ill listen the cables over the next week - Ill Try to be open minded
    I will try and make a gadget to switch channels from my armchair to help me identify the differences easier - Then Ill bribe my son for to help with a blind test
     
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    All you need to get him to do is wire the cables to different inputs on the amp, cover the cables over with a cloth and not tell you which one went to what input. See if you can tell him by listening! Make sure you cover the cables and plugs etc.. well, don’t cheat!
     
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    Might be a good idea to swap the cables over after a certain number of tests too, and re-run it... to rule out possible differences in the dac output/amp input sockets.
     
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    Effem Cable manufacturer

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    Not by you though it seems. How many times can a placebo or expectancy event be repeatedly cycled? I know the answer to this one ;)

     
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    TonyL Club Krautrock Plinque

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    Crikey, when I last looked at this thread three pages ago we were talking about Sun Ra. What the hell went wrong?

    Tony.

    PS Sun Ra often wore what looked like a tin foil hat. I'm going to get mine now...
     
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    Dont go down to their level Effen thats just what they want. I came to this forum looking for advise and help and got it. Thanks to the members who gave this which has improved my system. On occasions i try to help other new members needing advice. It is not nice when they ask help on cables and other members come in and say they are all sound the same. These members must believe in them or they wouldnt ask. Jim
     
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    Effem Cable manufacturer

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    That is what irks me so much, as has done so for many years long before I ever was a cable vendor. If cables do nothing for the cynics personally then all they have to say ONCE is "I tried XYZ cables and I heard no difference" Job done and let the thread continue unmolested. Time after time they come barging in uninvited I might add and grind on and on about the same old thing as if it was the very first time it has ever been said :rolleyes: By all means respect others and present a contrary viewpoint without resorting to attacking their personal purchasing choices or wielding irrelevant facts, then you might, just might get some respect in return ;)
     
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    Hmm. Just about sums it up really.


    So, this Sun Ra bloke, was he any good then?
     
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    Top post in the entire thread Dev.

    The overwhelming majority of cables have only subtle differences between them, mainly in presentation. The ones that do have far more than just subtle differences have some lofty price tags attached that few would even consider as "value for money" but they are out there.
     
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    Not as good as Pink Floyd, according to Ian (I think that's me off his Christmas cards list):D.
     
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    Hmm.... stick a blue led on the top and you'll sell thousands to the 'believers'.
     
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    I think Ian was present at my bake off a few years ago where we compared I/Cs from £20 to £2k (I think) and in my system there were hardly any differences to note, we certainly could not have repeatedly and reliably identified any cable.

    I think that cables with same electrical properties must sound the same. If they sound different there it must be measurable, even if we don't know what we need to measure. For example, 2 cables have the same LCR values but one sounds better because it has better insulation from RF. In this case there is still a difference.
     
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    I seems you lot down there in the south east and surrounding districts are the sceptics. Could this be a factor. Maybe you lot should climb the apple and pears and cum north to have a listen. Jim.
     
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    I think it'll be truer to say that if we are sceptics, we bacame so after hearing a lot of cables. Obviously cannot speak for all sceptics:D.
     
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    I don't wholly disagree with what you are saying Dev, but things do move on and "a few years ago" is past history I'm afraid. New alloys are being formulated now that move well away from the sameyness sounds of just copper or just silver wrapped in familiar dielectrics, still not though up in the "night and day" category for the most part I will openly concede but progress nonetheless. Zanash visited me a while ago with his wire formulations and while I heard clear differences between the various types it wasn't enough to make me leap up and down.

    I have auditioned more wires than probably everyone on this forum put together and then some, but once in a while a cable comes along that really does stand head and shoulders well above the common herd and gets me excited. It was just this sort of cable (not one of mine I hasten to add) I wanted a real seasoned sceptic to come along and hear for themselves, not for me to "prove a point" but more to show that thinking in tramlines isn't a good policy to adopt because there are instances where lateral thinking reaps big rewards and upsets conventional thinking in one fell swoop.
     
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    I think there's enough evidence on this thread to show believers cannot spell for toffee and are therefore (a) a bit thick or (b) didn't go to school.
     
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    bottleneck talks a load of rubbish

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    two quick points -

    n.b... I'm not being cantankerous, I just thought the following when reading the past post...

    1) how do you know you've tried more cables than other people when you don't know how many other people have tried ?

    2) what new type of cable material has been developed in the last couple of years that hasn't been used previously? - I know of none.
     
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    The dust of the Grand Wazoo.
     
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    la toilette Downright stupid

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    I got some of that in a cut once, hurt like buggery.
     
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