Need recommendation forcomplete highschool portable pa system - budget $2,000

Discussion in 'Pro Audio' started by Stanley P. Pickens, Apr 25, 2006.

  1. Howdy all.

    I have an opportunity to make suggestions for a pa system to be purchased
    by a local school system.

    Needs are as follows:

    Users.
    Will range from knowledgable about pa basics to pa/audio first time users.

    Expectations.
    Basic vocal reinforcement to cd/dvd/ quality(2 ch.) and sound for laptop
    multimedia presentations.
    Should be able to provide enough vocal output for 350-500 people inside an
    auditorium.
    Very Reliable. Reasonbly portable - will not be a permanent installation
    or road gear but will need to be moved to lockable room when not in use.
    Ability to handle minimum of 4 microphones and 2 line inputs.

    Equipment

    Mics / System - 35% of budget up to $700
    1 - Wireless Handheld/Gooseneck stand attached to podium
    1 - Wireless Clip on/ Tie tac
    quality / freedom from hum, noise, outside inteference etc.

    I am familiar with the inexpensive AT set from radioshack and a decent set
    of ? @ $225/ea
    in my church's pa

    Mixer 15% up to $300
    8 to 12 channels low, mid, high eq/channel
    proven design / known reliability / good warranty

    Familiar with Mackie 1202 and 1604 Peavey 90's xr series

    Amplifier - 20% up to $400
    2 channel
    proven design / known reliability / good warranty

    Familiar with Soundcraftsmen, QSC, mid/late 90's Peavey mixer/amp combo
    units

    Speakers - 25% of budget up to $500/ pair

    2 15" Cabs if in budget 12" if not

    Have heard 12-15" JBL's, Peavey, Community, RadioShack

    Cables to hook it all up - 5% @ 100.00

    These will likely be purchased locally but that's not a certainty. If
    there are great savings to be found net shopping I'd like to know about
    recommended sellers.

    I am not averse to modular systems and powered speakers but I don't have
    much hands on with them.
    I kind of like the idea of being able to replace or find a spare for one
    peice if necessary but convienience / portability are a little more
    important here.

    Basically I want to know what pieces by which makers just flat out work
    and sound decent while doing it. If the budget could shrink or needs to be
    reapportioned let me know.

    Any help appreciated

    If this post would do better in another group please suggest which one.

     
    Stanley P. Pickens, Apr 25, 2006
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    Phil Allison Guest

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    ron Guest

    Disclaimer: I am not a pro.

    I expect many will disagree, but as a high school AV clerk, I would
    recommend the top-line Fender Passport for these reasons:

    It is very portable. (Keep an eye on it!)
    It will have proprietary wireless options.
    It is easier for first-time users to operate. Even teachers can run
    it!
    It would be easy to resell if necessary.

    You may need a small mixer to use as a submixer to get you requested
    number of inputs.

    later, ron
     
    ron, Apr 25, 2006
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  4. I'll have better specs on the auditorium today and will post then

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    Stanley P. Pickens, Apr 25, 2006
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    Jim Swanson Guest

    I second the Fender Passport idea. You'll be the hero at coming in way under
    the two grand budget.

    Jimmy
     
    Jim Swanson, Apr 25, 2006
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    Scott Dorsey Guest

    The Fender stuff will be more versatile and probably sound better, but
    I agree that the Anchor stuff will be more rugged.

    You could also look at the JBL Eons or the Mackie powered PA speakers.

    None of these really have much pattern control...the Mackie is probably
    the best of the set in that regard and that can be an advantage in a very
    live room (like most high school multipurpose rooms). But it doesn't
    matter how good it sounds if it's broken.
    --scott
     
    Scott Dorsey, Apr 25, 2006
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    Daniel Fox Guest

    I think the percentages for parts of the system mentioned are skewed.
    The $ alotted for speakers, amps and mixer are too low to afford you
    decent quality. The $ alotted for mics is too low if you must have
    wireless. (Why?) If you're willing to used good ol' reliable, good
    sounding wired mics you wont need that much for 2 mics (for voice
    applications). Anyhow, here is what i'd recomend (prices are typical
    not lowball):

    If you are willing to go used-
    2 used Mackie SRM450 speakers - $1000 - these are powered and will
    sound good and loud if neccessary.
    used Allen & Heath MixWizard 16:2 or 12:2 - $600
    2 decent dynamic cardioid hand held mics (Audix OM2, Shure SM58,
    Sennheiser e835, EV N/D267a) - $200
    Pair of inexpensive speaker stands - $100
    Cabling - $100 (this is a bit of a stretch)

    If it must be new:
    2 Mackie SRM450 speakers - $1400
    Behringer UB1202 mixer - $80 - until you can afford to buy a A&H MixWiz
    new ($1k)
    Speaker Stands - $100
    Cabling $100
    $300 to do as you like for 2 mics. I'd still recomend the dynamic
    "wired" mics above.

    Oops - didn't see mic stands listed. Don't forget about those.

    Again, you just can't beat the reliability of dynamic "wired" mics. No
    batteries, no interfering tv, radio etc, and they'll just sound better
    for the money. And when you're dealing with beginners its alot easier
    to say "plug this in here" than "plug this in here, check this battery,
    set this frequency, if it doesn't work do this, blah blah..."

    I hope you won't be needing monitors...

    Dan Fox


     
    Daniel Fox, Apr 26, 2006
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    Arny Krueger Guest

    The basic application seems familiar to me. When I'm recording band and
    choir festivals there's always a mic and speaker for announcing the names of
    the groups and the musical numbers. The whole rig is usually composed of a
    powered speaker with a mic input, a stand, a cable and a mic with a swtich.
    Some powered speakers have two inputs, so that they could handle both a
    wireless mic and a wired mic at the same time without a separate mixer. I
    haven't looked too hard at the equipment. I seem to recall that the powered
    speaker seems to have a main driver in the 12"-15" range, and its just
    sitting on the floor a few feet ahead of the mic stand. The word "Mackie"
    and the letters "JBL EON" come to mind.

    I'm guessing something like a JBL EON G2 or some such. EON G2s have a mic
    input and two line inputs and enough mixing facilities to get by. Maybe
    $700 for the speaker and a few $100 for the mic,stand and cable.

    http://www.jblpro.com/eong2/eon15g2/eon_specs.html

    The rooms in question have 400-800 seats - probably typical for a high
    school auditorium.

    There are several undisclosed variables in the OP.

    One is simply the expectations of the users. How loud is loud enough and how
    far outside of the basic envelope of voice announcements do they expect to
    go?

    The other relates to the acoustics of the rooms. For an average given sized
    musical group I see approximately 6 dB variation in loudness at the
    recording mic due to the acoustics of the room. So, a system that was
    marginal in one of the liver rooms would probably be unsatisfactory in one
    of the deader rooms.
     
    Arny Krueger, Apr 26, 2006
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  9. $1850
    Suggestion from a local shop

    Peavey xr-684-d powered mixer 540.00
    2 ea Peavey PR 15 speakers 330/Pr.
    Shure Pgx14/sm58-h6 diversity hand held 375
    Shure Pgx/93-h6 diversity body pack 375
    spkr Cables 20
    Spkr Stands 100

    Budget is okayed @ $ 2200 now.

    I'm sure the mics will be okay, the mixer has more than enough channels
    and decent power and a 3 yr. warranty
    the speakers are surprisingly inexpensive and I'm wondering about their
    quality but they would be warrantied for 5 yrs.

    I'm thinking a simplier mixer and seperate amp might be a better solution
    along the lines of a Mackie DFX12 or Peavey pv10 and a Behringer EuroPower
    EP2500 or Mackie Tapco J2500 Juice Power Amp. Anyone with experience with
    these pieces?

    Maybe get a regular handheld mic as something that always works
    reguardless and put the $200 saved there into better speakers ( I hear you
    Dan ) be they Peaveys or Jbls which the shop carries both.

    I looked at the Anchor stuff and it's real nice I just don't see it
    delivering on the bottom end if needed, Would need a sub mixer at some
    point, it's a bit expensive and the battery operation is nice but not a
    real necessity. So its likely out of the running.

    The soundtech mixer/amps appears similar to the peavey stuff - any
    comments on peavey quality at this price point?

    The fender 250 setup won't have enough output at fullrange so it's out of
    the running.

    The current building is 500 seats in 3 long sections with aisles in
    between, has a 21 ft celing (OMG!) is @ 90ft deep by 65ft wide, the floor
    slopes downward to an 4 ft elevated stage with curtains up front and a
    stage depth of @28 ft. Yes, I'll get precise measurements today and post a
    link to a pic.

    Thanks for all the input so far. Keep it coming. And I promise no eq
    smiley faces.

    Stanley P. Pickens
     
    Stanley P. Pickens, Apr 27, 2006
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    Daniel Fox Guest

    What really needs to be known is what type of events will this system
    be amplifying and what are the expectations as far as volume. The
    Peavey powered mixer and speakers you mentioned would be sorely lacking
    if you had to amplify a singer accompanied by backing tracks on CD at a
    reasonably loud listening level. No way jose in a 500 seat house. Now
    if it only needs to amplify someone speaking and you're ok with rolling
    off the lows on the voice you might be ok.

    Dan
     
    Daniel Fox, Apr 28, 2006
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