new living voice prototype horns

But thoroughly treated with different layers of paints and gloss.

Gerner

 

Are they filled /damped with anything, apart from paint?

 

You mean the horns? No.

The cellular system is loosely filled with BAF. Mainly to give the cab a tad lower Qt. But it's almost insignificant.

Beside that nothing.

Cheers
gerner

 

it might be worth experimenting with 'hollow' horns which you could fill, might be worth a try.

 

Hi

What exist in those horns are pure hollow.
The horns are just horns. However tuned to the drivers loading them.

The cab is not a horn but something in between a BR and a slotted back.

The cellular structure is there to stiffen the cab and to cancel (phase-smasher) standing waves and prevent a hollow sound from the enclosure.



Cheers
Gerner

 

Aperiodic loading?

 

I mean't a double skinned horn, which could then be filled with something, might help with horn resonance.

 

Yes Markus. Aperiodical loading is a term used when you want the driver to be loaded symetrically in a certain frequency range.
The result is a lower Q on the openings on the rear side of the cab = a less steep roll-off which again prevents the whole system to "ring" (ripple) in the lower frequencies.

Cheers
Gerner

 

Was this meant for me?

What do you mean?

Cheers

Gerner

 

Hey Coops

I think I started to get the idea you are pointing out to me: You mean a "sandwhich" hollow horn where the cavity is filled with something dampening?

Yea, if this is what you mean, it 'could' be better and contribute to less ressonance in a horn.

But in the case of the Swings upper horn (and lower horn too) they are supported by a rigid surround ring-tube on the outer side of the horn. The ring-edge is dampended with rubber and just touch the horn without any real pressure. The ring supports exactly in the "Golden cut" point of the horn length.
That kills 99% of the resonances that may appear.

Playing at say 120 db at the listening position and go a touch the horns, they are silent and quiete.

So I think attention where paid to this phenomenon?

Second I think no known problems which may derive from a construction like the Swings were unattended. From Alpha to Omega!

Cheers Gerner

 

Every 'thin' ABS horn I have heard, has suffered from resonance problems within the horn itself, it is quite obvious, anywho it might be worth investigating.

 

Coops it's not thin. It's thick.

I think I can say it's not resonating, as if it was, well I believe I could feel it touching it when 140 db is spitting out of it at 300Hz.

I hear no resonances here than those which are aimed for.

Anyhow a double skinned horn would be a worthwhile trial, but not here.

Cheers
Gerner

Eddited for further comments:

Ahh...actually I never took the time to studdy what you are selling...

Then I understand better why you address this horn-thing to me.

Well, there are many roads leading to Rome. Your horns maybe one of them . Never heard them.

As it's hard to comment on sound quality just by looking at a picture, I could believe by looking at yours, that good sound could be expected.

Another eddition just to stay within the same track:

Talking about frontloader trumpets, I think it's very subjective what people like and find tasty.
It's obvious that meterials connected to a resonator (driver) will leave its own footprint to the final character of the whole thing.
Now some likes plastic, some like wood, others gips and then again others different materials.

As either materia is due to resonating by applying sound pressure, we could as well work along with those harmonics as against them.
A stradivarious would sound funny made out of MDF. Where as a church bell would too.

Off course our horns should not play the main role adding something not wanted, but should just be in tune with what sound is prefered.

 

I would have thought as a manufacturer you would be keen to extract the maximum from your design?

 

Is that your question Coops? That the manufacturer of my system should be more keen?

I'll tell him to hahaha..

Cheers

Gerner

 

Is that funny?

 

keith, you should hear these speakers first. you can't base a serious criticism on a hear-say...

 

Gerner, please do not send abusive PM's if you have something to say, spell it out on the thread, It was only a suggestion, to perhaps improve the sound of your horns .

 

Anu I have heard quite a number of ABS horns now, the swings may be different of course.

 

Coops,

It might help if you heard these before making assumptions. For someone who claims to be in the trade, you really do seem to go out of your way to criticize potential competitors. I've not found that to be a good approach in business.

 

How can you call my private mail *abusing*??

If you read that friendly mail as abusing then how shall I understand your posts here?

Offending?

No, they are not to me...

But you seems to have a problem, as addressing here what could be a private thing between you and me, is really trancending all sort of ethics.

So better put it out straight what is your mission with your *recommandations* to this manufactorer of a competitive product. You will be busy as there are just so many of them.

Anyhow

Cheers
Gerner