Discussion in 'Pro Audio' started by americanhitlist, Jan 23, 2006.

  1. Hello everyone.

    I am starting to piece together all of the equipment to start my
    A few weeks ago I completed a project on a trident 80A and it just blew
    me away.
    Of course I can't handle the 30,000 dollar price tag of the 80, but I
    can afford the cheaper little brother....the 65.
    Has anyone out there ever worked on a 65?
    How do they sound?
    I plan to have it rechipped and recapped when I buy one....but is it
    even worth my time?

    I plan on recording rock and roll mostly, but I don't want to invest a
    lot of money on something that sucks.
    Any info would be great.
    Thanks a lot.

    Joshua from Oregon
    americanhitlist, Jan 23, 2006
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    Mike Rivers Guest

    Why not give some thought to the new Trident ATB? It's brand new, it
    won't need capacitors, switchesm, and pots replaced, (the first ones
    will be shipping in the next few months) and it's designed by Malcolm
    Toft, who was one of the principal designers of the Trident 80 series.
    (80B = ATB, wink, wink, nudge, nudge). The first 100 are going at a
    discount. See
    Mike Rivers, Jan 24, 2006
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  3. what is the price tag on one of those going to be.
    THe cool thing about the trident 65 and series 24 is that you can buy
    one for 5000.
    What does the new boards footprint look like?
    You know how it is 50 percent of being successful in the studio
    business is looking cool to you customers.
    You could have a 16 track Neve but no one would care because it is to

    .....but still Man i would love it if I didn't have to recapp and rechip
    I am going to go do my homework right now on the new trident.
    Thank you for the tip.

    americanhitlist, Jan 24, 2006
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    Mark Guest


    Just got off the phone with John Oram in England...I'm this close to getting
    the new Trident 18T. The price is quite affordable for such a solid console!
    And John is personally invested and cares. 8T.htm

    I don't think there is anything remotely close to this desk in this

    Mark, Jan 24, 2006
  5. Wow 2400.00!
    Now that is affordable for a trident.
    I was looking at your link and it said the 18t is going to be available
    in larger formats.
    I wonder what the price would be if the board was a 24*24...or even a

    I am going to need quite a few channels since I am wanting to lay lot
    of bed tracks all at once. There is a real want, at least in my area,
    to track live.

    Do you know of how I could find out what the difference in price
    between the 18t and the 18t large format?

    Any info is greatly appreciated.

    Joshua from Oregon
    americanhitlist, Jan 24, 2006
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    Steve Guest

    Oh God I hope this doesn't mean another Oram/Toft war.
    The Iraq mess and the threat of a war in Iran are bad enough
    but this would be just too much.
    Say No To Trident Wars.

    Steve, Jan 24, 2006
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    john Guest

    There should be no need for Trident wars. The Trident trademark was
    registered to my company in 1999. There is only one Trident Audio
    Ltd., Mr Toft's product has nothing to do with us. It bears the
    name Trident Series which is only a TM listed in November 2005, not
    registered and is being vigorously challenged. Mr Toft's departure
    from Trident was in 1988 for reasons not disclosed here. Mr Rivers
    was shown our product at the AES NYC and this is called the Trident
    Series 8T. It is Made in England and is shipping. Please do not
    confuse this quality product with the Toft Audio ATB to be Made in
    China and shipping we know not when.
    I have stated my respect for Malcolm Toft's contribution to our design
    partnership in the 70's and 80's. Malcolm is a systems and ergonomics
    engineer. He is not an electronics circuit design engineer which was
    my role in the original company.
    I hope this clarifies our respective positions.
    Our Attorney's are happy to confirm this statement.
    Thank you.
    john, Jan 25, 2006
  8. Yawn... Seems like you need to get over it... Both of you have very
    interesting looking products coming out. Hope you both do well, but stop
    the bickering for God's sake.

    Benjamin Maas
    Fifth Circle Audio
    Los Angeles, CA

    please remove "nospam" upon reply
    Benjamin Maas, Jan 25, 2006
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    john Guest

    Yup, Benjamin ... how right you are. What's a little infringement
    amongst friends? You pinch my name, I pinch yours. Gets the
    customer confused. Fifth Circle Audio is a great name. I promise not
    to bicker!
    john, Jan 25, 2006
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    john Guest

    Sorry, Joshua from Oregon, I got sidetracked there.

    There's a range of genuine Trident consoles from $2400 through to
    $150,000 and I'll see you get full details sent to you later today (UK
    time). We also have refurbed used boards with full warranties.

    Thank you Mark for the positive contribution.
    john, Jan 25, 2006
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    Mike Rivers Guest

    Go to the web site and check out the prices. I'm not sure that they
    list the dimensions there yet, but it's pretty compact. The 16-input
    one that they've been showing is less than a yard wide.
    Mike Rivers, Jan 25, 2006
  12. Thank you John for your reply,

    If you don't mind me asking...who is Mr. Rivers?

    Joshua from Oregon
    americanhitlist, Jan 25, 2006
  13. americanhitlist, Jan 25, 2006
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    Mark Guest

    Mr. Oram has impressed me with his attention to me as a customer, and his
    commitment to follow thru with perspective and realized clients.

    I feel I should mention to everyone that an investment in Mr Oram's product
    accompanies his keen eye on what you are doing, and you might not rule out a
    call straight from his desk in England to check up on you and your
    satisfaction as a customer. This has been my experience for many years.

    Mark Skipper


    And if anyone want to use my name on any product without my permission, I'll
    see you in court. That is unacceptable behavior...Trident Wars indeed.
    Mark, Jan 25, 2006
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    Mike Rivers Guest

    The first person to reply in this thread.

    John and I have been razzing each other at trade shows for years, and
    we really like each other. He did indeed show me his medium-sized 8-bus
    console at the AES show. It was very similar to Malcolm's design, which
    is not surprising since there are certain standard things that such a
    console needs to do, and there's an expected layout. Incidentally, a
    few shows back, I told John that if he could build a 21st centrury (or
    maybe it was still the 20th then) version of the Trident 65 and sell it
    for under $10,000, there would be a market. He did, and there was. This
    was his Dream (model) and, dammit, he never even sent me a royalty
    checki. The Dream looks very much like an old time studio console while
    the new 8-bus is flat, doesn't have a meter bridge, and is designed for
    a tabletop.

    I don't remember the specifics now, but there were a couple of
    ergonomic and system design things (as John pointed out, Malcolm's
    strength is in system engineering and ergonomics) that I thought were a
    little better on the Toft console than on the similar Oram one. I'm
    sure that both of them, when all the bugs get worked out, will function
    equally well in the studio and sound just fine.

    One big difference, and I'll be the second to point this out (I'll let
    John be the first) is that Oram is a pretty small company, they deal
    with a smaller volume of sales, and they don't save any money by having
    their products built in China - so they build them in England. Toft is
    bankrolled by PMI Marketing, the company that has the Joemeek and
    Studio Projects line, their business model is on substantially larger
    quantity sales, and they count the cost saving of Chinese manufacturing
    into their pricing. I can assure you that PMI has had a lot of
    experience with quality control over there and where it's built
    shouldn't be a cause for concern.

    The other thing is that Toft is taking orders now for delivery shortly.
    The first 100 sold get a price break because they're realistic about
    these things and they expect that there will be a few glitches (which
    of course they'll fix). The first lot will be sold and supported
    directly through PMI (closest thing to a direct line to Malcolm) and
    once they're sure they have a solid product that can be manufactured in
    quantity, sales and support will be through dealers as normal.

    Oh, and for the guy who came in in the middle of the show, it's
    but here's a nasty tip - if you coldn't figure that out, you probably
    won't be able to figure out how to use an 8-bus console.
    Mike Rivers, Jan 25, 2006
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    Scott Dorsey Guest

    I do find the Studio Products gadget to be very intriguing... it is
    very cheaply made overseas, but it's modular and it has decent-feeling
    faders, even if they are a little short. Given the price point that it's
    built to, I think it could be a real winner, and I think it can coexist
    in the same world without even competing with the Trident products (which
    are clearly aimed at a much higher-grade market).

    I don't care what the nameplate on the front says. I care what it feels
    like and how it sounds. In the past, both of you guys have built some
    excellent consoles.
    Scott Dorsey, Jan 25, 2006
  17. Did you look at the enlarged picture? Seems that channel strip 1 is awfully
    close to the wood frame, particularly the raised rear portion. Looks like a
    design problem because it appears you can't get a hold of the knobs fully,
    which means moving them with one finger and pushing off-axis on them. Maybe
    it's just me, but the frame could have been OG'd a little to allow two
    fingers access. Otherwise it looks somewhat like my Soundtracs! <g>

    And where is the star ground connector?

    But I've gotta admit, if it's from Malcolm, it's gotta be good.


    Roger W. Norman
    SirMusic Studio
    "Is our children learning?"
    President George W. Bush
    Roger W. Norman, Jan 25, 2006
  18. Just got off the phone with John Oram in England...I'm this close to
    Let's not get into the Oram vs. Toft situation again. John knows his shit,
    Malcolm does too. They don't get along as shown by the disclaimer about the
    Trident Series ATB on John's site. Neither owns the Trident name as far as
    I know, but if I had to put a dollar on the line, it would be with Malcolm
    (Sorry John).

    But if you want some info you can do a google/groups search back about 5
    years ago. Even with arguing going on, both guys offered a world of insight
    into the design philosophies to the consoles that we'd all love to own.

    Plus, I don't know how to assess "quite affordable" considering the price is
    TBA. You got something more concrete?


    Roger W. Norman
    SirMusic Studio
    "Is our children learning?"
    President George W. Bush
    Roger W. Norman, Jan 25, 2006
  19. Roger W. Norman, Jan 25, 2006
  20. And if anyone want to use my name on any product without my permission,
    It's not Trident wars, it's been John vs Malcolm. Both played important
    parts in the development of Trident and no one is willing to say uncle.
    Let's face it, Trident wouldn't have been what it was, nor would those
    consoles still be highly sought after if it hadn't been for both men. Audio
    took tremendous strides forward. No reason to take steps backwards. If
    both men can produce quality products they both deserve praise and support.
    If John truly owns TRIDENT as a name, the Malcolm should probably change the
    name, but that's not the complete way I remember the history of the dispute.
    But then I'm just a dumb ass cellar dweller and my memory is shot to hell.


    Roger W. Norman
    SirMusic Studio
    "Is our children learning?"
    President George W. Bush
    Roger W. Norman, Jan 25, 2006
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