To Knob or not to Knob

Discussion in 'Pro Audio' started by Ty Ford, Mar 19, 2007.

  1. Ty Ford

    Ty Ford Guest

    My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet.

    Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options?

    Regards,

    Ty Ford


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    Ty Ford, Mar 19, 2007
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    Nate Najar Guest

    Ty,

    I don't know what kind of functionality you need, but if it's just
    handy volume and speaker switching the big knob is great. I had one
    when they first came out, and only got rid of it when i got a real
    console. The thing about the big knob though is the whole unit is
    HUGE. but it's super handy. i liked that it had a master mute on it
    in easy reach.

    Nate
     
    Nate Najar, Mar 19, 2007
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  3. Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called the
    control room. It will kill things like the big knob and
    it is in the box. Their new organization for plugs and
    the plugs that come with it are alone worth the price
    and it is just a little more than the big knob.

    But then again there is nothing like a big knob to
    reach for when the computer decides to go its own way.


    peace
    dawg


    : My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the
    planet.
    :
    : Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other
    options?
    :
    : Regards,
    :
    : Ty Ford
    :
    :
    : --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
    : Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
    : Guitar
    player?:
    :
     
    Deputy Dumbya Dawg, Mar 19, 2007
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    Mike Rivers Guest

    Do you know what a Big Knob does? How can Cubase possibly do that in
    the box? The Big Knob provides multiple inputs and outputs as well as
    hands-on controls. I suppose that you could assign outputs of a multi-
    out sound card to different speakers and have on-screen buttons to
    mute and un-mute them, and have an on-screen volume and mute control,
    and what about the RIAA equalized phono input? And the headphone
    outputs? And talkback mic?
     
    Mike Rivers, Mar 19, 2007
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  5. Yeah. Like you say, if you ARE computer-based, Cubase 4's Control
    Room very likely does everything you'd use the Knob for. Not quite
    everything, and not necessarily in exactly the same way of course. But
    if your mind is open to computer solutions, it's well worth a look.

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    Laurence Payne, Mar 19, 2007
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  6. I've never personally met a Big Knob. But I know about it, and its
    specifications are easy to understand. There may be occasions where a
    Big Knob is a godsend. But alongside a mixing desk, I find it
    over-featured.

    Is it possible that there are contributors to this thread who HAVEN'T
    even heard of Cubase 4's Control Room until today, but nevertheless
    have opinions about it? :)

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    Laurence Payne, Mar 19, 2007
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  7. : On Mar 19, 9:09 am, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg"
    : > Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called
    the
    : > control room. It will kill things like the big knob
    and
    : > it is in the box.
    :
    : Do you know what a Big Knob does? How can Cubase
    possibly do that in
    : the box?

    It sure as hell does and more and more of what the big
    knob designers would wish it does. If you ever see the
    demo you will know.

    * Any output you setup in the DAW can be an input to
    the control room.
    * Multiple monitors can be selected and volume matched
    if desired,
    * Talkback mic and selectable routing
    * Sends and outputs for cue mixes with presets
    * It can also handle 2 tk, and every version of
    surround you may want to use for mixdown.
    * Single keystrokes to route surround to 2tk or mono
    and 2tk to mono
    * Single keystrokes to solo or mute speakers.
    (individualy and by group)
    * Volume controls that do not affect the mix level.
    * No switching noise ( except maybe when you switch the
    daw off and on.

    Very well thought out.

    The Big Knob provides multiple inputs and outputs as
    well as
    : hands-on controls.

    Like I said multiple inputs and outputs but no hardware
    for when the computer gets a mind of its own. That is
    the only advantage I see unless you want to use it with
    the computer off and another source or something.

    : I suppose that you could assign outputs of a multi-
    : out sound card to different speakers and have
    on-screen buttons to
    : mute and un-mute them, and have an on-screen volume
    and mute control,

    So did Charlie Steinberg, but he did something about
    it.
    THE CONTROL ROOM

    And the headphone outputs?
    Got it and with well thought out presets for what
    drives the phones and you can insert compression or
    limiters in the sends.

    And talkback mic?
    Can rout that too.
    :

    : and what about the RIAA equalized phono input?
    Just like every console used for this job. The control
    room assumes you have a phono stage for your moving
    magnet Grado Statement cartridge. The Big Knob does not
    have enough gain in it's phono input to handle the
    0.5mV output of high quality cartridges. It needs
    5-79mV input.

    But who has a turntable any more and the OP did not
    mention that.


    Hey Mike! Did ya find that speaker and the designers
    claims for the variovent to the another chamber?


    peace
    Dawg.
    :
    :
    :
     
    Deputy Dumbya Dawg, Mar 19, 2007
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  8. Ty Ford

    Mike Rivers Guest

    No, I won't bother. For me, what the Big Knob and its brethren and
    sistern provide is more input and output jacks and hands-on controls.
    If your DAW hardware consists of a stereo audio interface, how's the
    Control Room section going to help you switch between two sets of
    monitors? Or connect a talkback mic? Or a turntable?

    If you can tell me how the software control room section replaces
    physical hardware, I'll take a look. Otherwise, I'll take a hike.
     
    Mike Rivers, Mar 19, 2007
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  9. Ty Ford

    Mike Rivers Guest

    On Mar 19, 11:29 am, Laurence Payne
    That's probably true, but it's intended to be used by people who don't
    have a mixer. It answers the call from people who think they have a
    whole studio in their computer and can't figure out how to do
    something as simple as adjusting the listening volume without a few
    mouse clicks.

    I haven't heard of it and I don't have an opinion about it. But I will
    question how it makes hardware where there's no hardware. That's the
    most significant feature of the Big Knob.

    If it can do that, please explain to me how.
     
    Mike Rivers, Mar 19, 2007
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  10. You're striking a silly attitude. Unless you can show me how a Big
    Knob replaces your multitrack recorder?

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    Laurence Payne, Mar 19, 2007
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  11. : On Mar 19, 12:05 pm, Romeo Rondeau <>
    wrote:
    :
    : > Doh! I guess you haven't looked at Cubase/ Nuendo's
    control room
    : > section! I guess you will now :)
    :
    : No, I won't bother. For me, what the Big Knob and its
    brethren and
    : sistern provide is more input and output jacks and
    hands-on controls.
    : If your DAW hardware consists of a stereo audio
    interface, how's the
    : Control Room section going to help you switch between
    two sets of
    : monitors? Or connect a talkback mic? Or a turntable?
    :
    : If you can tell me how the software control room
    section replaces
    : physical hardware, I'll take a look. Otherwise, I'll
    take a hike.


    I have a hardware solution myself but a lot of people
    have lots of tracks in and as many outputs as inputs.
    In a stereo system only two outputs are configured.
    This means that if you have a 24 track DAW system, like
    I do you, have 22 spare outputs. ( I actuall have 23
    spare outputs since I use the SPDIF out to a high end
    DAC and one out to run the midi click sounds back into
    the board so I can mix it into the headsets)

    You could make three 5.1 mixes and three stereo.

    Or lotsa headsets out and a few stereo and a surround.
    Get it?

    Peace.
    dawg
    :
    :
     
    Deputy Dumbya Dawg, Mar 19, 2007
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  12. : Deputy Dumbya Dawg wrote:
    :
    : > Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called
    the
    : > control room. It will kill things like the big knob
    and
    : > it is in the box. Their new organization for plugs
    and
    : > the plugs that come with it are alone worth the
    price
    : > and it is just a little more than the big knob.
    : >
    : > But then again there is nothing like a big knob to
    : > reach for when the computer decides to go its own
    way.
    :
    : Reads to me like you have not met a Big Knob, and
    also do not understand
    : what's good about stuff that is not "in the box".
    :
    : --
    : ha
    : Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

    Read the review in either Recording or Tape op dude. I
    know exactly what it does and can't do. But don't worry
    you will be seeing every other DAW copying something
    just like it real soon. But of course the copies will
    claim to be the original and the first ones with this
    feature and they will have cooler sounding more
    original names.

    peace
    dawg
     
    Deputy Dumbya Dawg, Mar 19, 2007
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  13. "Laurence Payne" <lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom>
    wrote in message

    :
    : Is it possible that there are contributors to this
    thread who HAVEN'T
    : even heard of Cubase 4's Control Room until today,
    but nevertheless
    : have opinions about it? :)

    I just got the demo earlier this month from the
    Steinberg Rep, Greg Ondo. They rolled it out at NAM
    last month.


    peace
    dawg
     
    Deputy Dumbya Dawg, Mar 19, 2007
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  14. Doh! I guess you haven't looked at Cubase/ Nuendo's control room
    section! I guess you will now :)
     
    Romeo Rondeau, Mar 19, 2007
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  15. Ty Ford

    hank alrich Guest

    Reads to me like you have not met a Big Knob, and also do not understand
    what's good about stuff that is not "in the box".
     
    hank alrich, Mar 19, 2007
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  16. What took you so long? We've been using it since early October 2006.

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    Laurence Payne, Mar 19, 2007
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  17. Ty Ford

    philicorda Guest

    Can you solo input channels to the control room speakers without it
    affecting the headphone mixes?

    I've been using a Cubase4 rig for some mixing, but did not get into the
    new monitoring in any depth.
     
    philicorda, Mar 19, 2007
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  18. Obviously the only meaningful comparison is between the BK and a DAW
    INCLUDING a multi-output soundcard. Didn't Mike establish this very
    early in this thread?

    Else we're just being silly. Like buying software and whining "But
    you didn't say I'd need a computer as well!" Or buying a radio mic
    and "What do you mean - I need an amp and speakers TOO?"

    (Actually, I've heard that last one more than once :)

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    Laurence Payne, Mar 19, 2007
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  19. Ty Ford

    hank alrich Guest

    You have made it clear that you do not understand what the Big Knob
    offers.
     
    hank alrich, Mar 19, 2007
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  20. Ty Ford

    hank alrich Guest

    I have. There are no hardware connections provided by the software.
    There is no hardware phono preamp. Etc.
     
    hank alrich, Mar 19, 2007
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