The Devil
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What about that rev Joanna, eh? Eh? Phwooaar, eh? She could read me the epistles to the apostles any day, eh? Eh?
Abortion for cleft palate?
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The Devil
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Dontchaluvvher??? She's the happy-clappy answer to the Vatican. Phwoooar!
julian2002
Muper Soderator
wha?
links please james.
cheers
julian
links please james.
cheers
julian
The Devil
IHTFP
penance
Arrogant Cock
cute
i could almost go to church for that
i could almost go to church for that
michaelab
desafinado
Try this link:
http://iccheshireonline.icnetwork.c...20_headline=-My-fight-for-life-name_page.html
I'm definitely pro-choice but OTOH I'm totally against people having abortions for ever more trivial reasons, and I would class the foetus having a cleft palate as a trivial reason. All this designer baby stuff is bloody scary IMO.
My brother had a similar (but clearly less complex) operation as the girl in the story to fix a protuding upper jaw. Lower jaw broken, moved forward, and then wired in place for 8 weeks - intensive care then liquid food through a straw and severe limitations on talking for 8 weeks - not fun at all
Michael.
http://iccheshireonline.icnetwork.c...20_headline=-My-fight-for-life-name_page.html
I'm definitely pro-choice but OTOH I'm totally against people having abortions for ever more trivial reasons, and I would class the foetus having a cleft palate as a trivial reason. All this designer baby stuff is bloody scary IMO.
My brother had a similar (but clearly less complex) operation as the girl in the story to fix a protuding upper jaw. Lower jaw broken, moved forward, and then wired in place for 8 weeks - intensive care then liquid food through a straw and severe limitations on talking for 8 weeks - not fun at all
Michael.
sideshowbob
Trisha
That link doesn't work either.
Don't believe everything you read. I heard something about this on Radio 4 last night and it didn't seem clear that the real reason for the abortion was a cleft palate, although this hadn't stopped some anti-abortion campaigners from making that claim. I suspect there's more to the story than meets the eye.
-- Ian
Don't believe everything you read. I heard something about this on Radio 4 last night and it didn't seem clear that the real reason for the abortion was a cleft palate, although this hadn't stopped some anti-abortion campaigners from making that claim. I suspect there's more to the story than meets the eye.
-- Ian
The Devil
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Yes I agree, but having a religious chick like that fronting the story won't do her side any harm.
Your soaraway Watchtower (shome mishtake).
[Google Joanna Jepson.]
Your soaraway Watchtower (shome mishtake).
[Google Joanna Jepson.]
michaelab
desafinado
Re the link - it's obviously a website design that has no clue how to create usable links. If you haven't done so already go to:
http://iccheshireonline.icnetwork.co.uk/
..and it's the 3rd story down.
Here are some BBC links about it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2367917.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hereford/worcs/3285601.stm
MO! - what's her "looking hot" got to do with anything?
For someone who once had a cleft palate (or something similar) she looks pretty OK to me.
Ian - I'm coming at this from the "designer baby" POV rather than the abortion one allthough I agree that anti-abortionists are using cases like this to bolster their argument :inferno:
It's not a "sanctity of life" issue for me, rather an issue of selfishness and abdication of responsibility. If two people deliberately go about conceiving a child then if they would be keen to have the child if it were healthy then they shouldn't be allowed to abort it just because it has some minor "defect" like a cleft palate. When you decide to create a child you don't get to add subsidiary clauses and small print to the effect of "but I only want it if it's healthy, male and with blue eyes". Assuming you'd be happy to raise a "normal" child then you have a responsibility to raise that child however it happens to turn out.
The issue it raises is that if all babies with cleft palates and other minor "defects" start to be aborted, what does that say to people alive who have those "defects" about the value of their life? Again, I realise this argument is one that pro-lifers ( :bub: ) use but it's not quite the same issue.
Either you want to have a baby (unconditionally), in which case you have it, or you (again unconditionally) don't want to have one, in which case you abort it. There should be no "well, I only want it if condition X".
Michael.
http://iccheshireonline.icnetwork.co.uk/
..and it's the 3rd story down.
Here are some BBC links about it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2367917.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hereford/worcs/3285601.stm
MO! - what's her "looking hot" got to do with anything?
For someone who once had a cleft palate (or something similar) she looks pretty OK to me.
Ian - I'm coming at this from the "designer baby" POV rather than the abortion one allthough I agree that anti-abortionists are using cases like this to bolster their argument :inferno:
It's not a "sanctity of life" issue for me, rather an issue of selfishness and abdication of responsibility. If two people deliberately go about conceiving a child then if they would be keen to have the child if it were healthy then they shouldn't be allowed to abort it just because it has some minor "defect" like a cleft palate. When you decide to create a child you don't get to add subsidiary clauses and small print to the effect of "but I only want it if it's healthy, male and with blue eyes". Assuming you'd be happy to raise a "normal" child then you have a responsibility to raise that child however it happens to turn out.
The issue it raises is that if all babies with cleft palates and other minor "defects" start to be aborted, what does that say to people alive who have those "defects" about the value of their life? Again, I realise this argument is one that pro-lifers ( :bub: ) use but it's not quite the same issue.
Either you want to have a baby (unconditionally), in which case you have it, or you (again unconditionally) don't want to have one, in which case you abort it. There should be no "well, I only want it if condition X".
Michael.
The Devil
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Old picture, Mo. She looks good now. Very good.
I agree with what Michael said. But the court case will be interesting.
I agree with what Michael said. But the court case will be interesting.
