Cable Myths Debunked.

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For some reason the previous thread was removed. I don't see there is a problem linking to evidence exposing the cable myth but here's hoping this one isn't censored too so that you all get a chance to digest the facts. Here goes

http://www.verber.com/mark/ce/cables.html

http://www.vxm.com/21R.64.html

http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm

http://www.audioholics.com/education...-you-snake-oil

http://www.audioholics.com/education...speaker-cables

http://www.audioholics.com/education...-psychological

http://www.audioholics.com/education...able-resonance
 
lordsummit said:
Your last one was removed because of it's over critical tone.
This one will be when it degenerates into the usual mess that these threads result in.
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What would your Lordship suggest? That we let people post about cables and don't suggest that they may be misguided? It's interesting that this is one subject in audio which really isn't subjective - where there are rights and wrongs. And yet are you suggesting we do not point those out?
 
I think when a certain person's banned this place may return back to normal... ;)
 
The first one does not say cable diifferences do not exist!

In fact to quote,
While competent cable manufacturers should be aware of these measurements and the need to make them during the design of their cables, the raw truth is that most do not!

Is exactly what I mean when saying not all cables are created equal.
 
The second link,

This does not give any conclusive proof of anything.

All it highlights is some tit for tat which resulted in no tests being made?

I do regard transparent as one of the better manufacturers, and do agree the aparent non commital is dissapointing, but in no way conclusive?
 
sastusbulbas said:
The first one does not say cable diifferences do not exist!
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If you had gone back through previous threads and read the position I have and others do on cables as I requested, instead of hurling insults, you would have known no one has ever said differences cannot exist.

Why not go back to the previous threads discussing LCR and see the position as I have been pleading with you to do, instead of basing an argument and being offensive on a misunderstanding?
 
DavidF said:
Agreed.





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.If you don't have anything constructive to add, could you kindly keep out and respect the AUP? Your posts seem to contain nothing but attempts to stir up hatred. Rather sad really don't you think? Still into Balsa?
 
Wickfut said:
congratulations on finding other people on the internet who don't believe in cables
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You might notice that they are rather more qualified to discuss these matters than some Zerogainers. I particularly found this to be informative.

Audioholics said:
Watch out if a Cable Vendor or Manufacturer:
Promotes that their product allegedly eliminates audio related Skin Effect and/or "Strand Jumping" problems.

Claims revolutionary breakthrough in cable technology by polarizing or biasing the dielectric using a battery.

Promotes that their products eliminate "Audiogenic", "Diode Rectification" or any type of non linear distortions. See Debunking the Myth of Cable Distortion and Dielectric Biasing

Physically places (+) and (-) wire leads in separate dielectrics not closely spaced in a common jacket. See: Calculating Cable Inductance of Twin Feeder Cables

Claims vast improvements in sound by inserting "Cable Elevators" to raise the cables off the floor and minimize electron misfiring or static energy fields.

Claims that cryogenically freezing cables improves fidelity or measurably changes electrical properties after the cable is restored to room temperature.

Claims that their cables require a "Break In" period.

Claims that measurements cannot quantify why their designs are superior and often misapply engineering principles in their reasoning but abandon the associated governing laws and metrics that establish them.

Claims audible differences exist between stranded and non-stranded wires of same gauge rating, geometry and conductor spacing.

Claims audible differences between silver and copper cables of equal design geometry and gauge.
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The third link.

Quote's,
Speaker cables can (and sometimes do) sound different with a given amplifier and loudspeaker combination, even where they are well designed and of reasonable gauge. Excluded are very thin or extremely silly combinations - these will always do something to the sound, rarely good.

Interconnects might sound different, but only if they use odd construction techniques. Generally speaking, all properly (sensibly) designed and well made interconnects will sound the same - excluding noise pickup which is common with unshielded designs.

The above substantiate some of what I was implying in my posts on a previous thread, and seem to show there can indeed be differences.

Cable 'break-in' is a myth, and is perpetuated by those with something to hide - no-one has ever been able to show that there is any scientific justification to the claim, nor shown that the performance has changed in any way whatsoever. Cable break-in is real, and occurs between the ears of the listener - nowhere else (most certainly not in the cable).

There was an article in HiFi News which addressed this with some evidence which I am not sure was substantiated? I may look the article out, I am not sure if it was followed up in the following month.
 
Speaker cables can sound different. Mostly they won't, and they certainly won't because of any of the miguided reasons given in the article I quoted on the previous page. There is no alchemy involved and it's a crap shoot. Lightening can strike twice in the same place.

I am loathe to rely on anything from HFN. The cable article you mentioned previously, whilst sounding highly plausible to the casual bystander, did use terms like 'inductoidance' and 'square root of an inductor' which have a distinct scent of snake-oil about them. There's also a concern as to whether the inductance of the test load didn't have some bearing on the result - it's not actually stated how close the values were. In short - if anything interesting had been thrown up it would have been the subject of a peer review. It wasn't.
 
Stereo Mic said:
If you had gone back through previous threads and read the position I have and others do on cables as I requested, instead of hurling insults, you would have known no one has ever said differences cannot exist.

Why not go back to the previous threads discussing LCR and see the position as I have been pleading with you to do, instead of basing an argument and being offensive on a misunderstanding?
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My appologies SM,

On the previous threads I felt I was being insulted. And I did not think I was the only one guilty of this, apologies to anyone offended by myself.

My points were simple from the begining, that not all cables are equal, and that there are measurable differences, and construcion methods.

The given replay was over simplified and brought up similar characteristics and LCR, which I felt pointless and beside the point. There was no agreement with my opinion or questions regarding two completely different products with completely different construction and measurements.

I was not getting into a discussion regarding LCR, as I was implying the simplistic opinion of all cable argument seemingly being based on "similar characteristics" which in defense of those called names and such, may not be the case. My appologies if this seemed ignorant.

I did not intend to be offesive or argumentive, but point out there may be more than just sooth saying going on with regard to anyone who may hear a difference.
 

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