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Rob - good idea on the travelling review circus. I'm up for that.

Corruption - I'm in Bath, no valves but let me know if you'd care for a meet & coffee sometime :)
 
Hi Felix

I'm in Bath too and I think we've been meaning to hear each other's systems perhaps we could get the ball rolling?

cheers philip
 
Count me in, although I only have a small flat so probably no more than 2 reviewers per session (and even that's a stretch!)...

Would be very interested to hear what you guy have :)
 
cooky1257 said:
I'll post my JBL Be Array speaker project complete with rta shots-stand by over the next few days...
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You've been keeping that quiet! Excellent idea. Why not keep it exclusive to ZG. That would keep activity levels up.
Sadly, I have nothing planned for the time being and I posted quite extenvsively elsewhere about recent changes.
Perhaps there's a role for ZG as a slightly more technical forum that covers a wide range of equipment and isn't afraid of getting into the nitty-gritty of non-foo real audio, and that could also offer some insights into the how and why things work the way they do.
Just a thought.
Maybe all most people want to talk about are elephant-cock cables and power supply upgrades.
Tokyo shows is in a couple of weeks. I'll take lots of photos and post about that here ie lots of elephant-cock cables and audio eye-candy ;-)
 
joel said:
Perhaps there's a role for ZG as a slightly more technical forum that covers a wide range of equipment and isn't afraid of getting into the nitty-gritty of non-foo real audio, and that could also offer some insights into the how and why things work the way they do.
Just a thought.
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Agree entirely Joel, and I'll continue doing my bit with more blind testing intended to challenge the foo.

Please do take lots of elephant-cock cable pics though - looking is fine :)
 
Well beeroclock & I are now trying to sort-out a date for a Baff sound-off - next weekend at the earliest - so details can follow to anyone else local who may be interested :)


(Corruption - did you get my PM?)
 
i also live in Aust. and think it is a great idea to have something of interest that brings out all the tweakers and tryers. Over 50 years i could write a book on not all my
good ideas worked but at the time they were great ideas and kept my interest sky high. So a great part of this hobby of ours
is in the illusion of making something we own sound better
even if it is to our own ears own satisfactionand most of all
the fun of it all when it dont work ----well sometimes Noel W.
 
I'm of the view that nothing gets a forum's posting level up better than a good old slanging match, with threads being locked, people being banned, and insults being hurled.
 
Joe said:
I'm of the view that nothing gets a forum's posting level up better than a good old slanging match, with threads being locked, people being banned, and insults being hurled.
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It's a double-edged sword. The gains are short term but the damage can be permanent.
 
Dev said:
It's a double-edged sword. The gains are short term but the damage can be permanent.
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I don't how it can be avoided though. Opinionated people post more, and tend to polarise to one side or another, so they get all het up.

If a forum is busy enough (eg PFM) it's easy to skim-read and either actually or virtually filter out those guaranteed to wind you up. On less busy forums, the subjectivists and objectivists (for example) keep riling each other. People who can see both sides of the argument soon lose interest.
 
Joe said:
People who can see both sides of the argument soon lose interest.
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That's certainly been the case here IMO. Some of the posters that I know personally have stopped posting simply for that reason. Others have given up because they see themselves being bullied/victimised. I wish we had a magic wand:(.
 
There are no easy answers.
All of the popular forums have a good deal of often heated argument. That is never a problem IMO as it is little different to what happens in the pub, or at work etc.
The problem is when we reach the next stage - the threats, personal insults and name calling - that doesn't often happen in reality because self restraint kicks in, but the fact that a poster is buffered by a keyboard and screen makes it a sad reality for online boards.

So I think good strong argument is good so long as action is taken to deal with what I can only describe as the more vicious elements of the nutty brigade.

A bland little forum where everything is super calm and collected is a dead forum.
 
RobHolt said:
There are no easy answers.
All of the popular forums have a good deal of often heated argument. That is never a problem IMO as it is little different to what happens in the pub, or at work etc.
The problem is when we reach the next stage - the threats, personal insults and name calling - that doesn't often happen in reality because self restraint kicks in, but the fact that a poster is buffered by a keyboard and screen makes it a sad reality for online boards.
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The tipping point is always when an argument switches from being about the subject to about the poster making the argument. At that point any ability to win the argument by making a coherent point or imparting information has been forfeited. He who plays the "You are an idiot" card first is always the loser IMO. Sadly some play it rather early.

Tony.
 
yes ....

having been on the pointy end a year or so back ....you'd have the mods wringing there hands and apologizing for the other party's posts ...but little was done

that was untill the other party insulted a mod..then blow me a life time ban tout sweet ...I had to suffer nine months of daily insults ...

no wonder people stop posting ..if they can't be backed up and supported, when they have done nothing but expressed an opinion ...

that said theres been much on the plus side ...rob and his wav's and scots article .....etc

mind you you got rid of the article I did on modding cdp's still .... it was not a great read, but factual all the same.
 
zanash said:
yes ....

having been on the pointy end a year or so back ....you'd have the mods wringing there hands and apologizing for the other party's posts ...but little was done

that was untill the other party insulted a mod..then blow me a life time ban tout sweet ...I had to suffer nine months of daily insults ...

no wonder people stop posting ..if they can't be backed up and supported, when they have done nothing but expressed an opinion ...

that said theres been much on the plus side ...rob and his wav's and scots article .....etc

mind you you got rid of the article I did on modding cdp's still .... it was not a great read, but factual all the same.
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Sorry to hear that Pete.
I hardly posted on here at the time so that all sort of passed me by. Clearly nobody should feel bullied, so my apologies on behalf on ZG.

However, time marches on and that is history.

I'm looking to post a thread demonstrating the differences between pre amp tubes. Looking at ECC83s for starters and I have a selection of five here but could do with a few more.
Do you have any that I could borrow for a week?

Any other ECC83 loans welcome :)
 
I can lend you plenty of ECC83s Rob, remind me tomorrow. I've got some Brimars, GE, Sovtek LPS & the silver plate EI Telefunken clones all sitting about spare.

Tony.
 
TonyL said:
I can lend you plenty of ECC83s Rob, remind me tomorrow. I've got some Brimars, GE, Sovtek LPS & the silver plate EI Telefunken clones all sitting about spare.

Tony.
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Excellent - cheers Tony.

My Phono stage uses one ECC83 in the output stage, with each half of it doing the left and right channels.

Plan is to record a track with different tubes in that position (so only one needed) and stick them up for people to hear.
If it works as planned it might make a decent reference post.
IME the differences are pretty obvious so no need to complicate with a blind test regime.
 
long live zerogain, for those of you who want to discuss decent issues, carry on, with out prejudice,
nando.
 

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