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Great,
Michael schumacher wins again:SLEEP:
Michael schumacher wins again:SLEEP:
Great,
Another part-timer
Another part-timer
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Well, cant argue with you about being a part timer, lost interest in F1 a while ago. I caught the last few minutes of the ITV coverage whilst waiting for the Rugby to start.
Now I'm off to watch something more interesting than the GP
Now I'm off to watch something more interesting than the GP
michaelab
desafinado
Congrats to Michael Schumacher on his record breaking 6th World Championship :banana: :beer: :slayer: :boogie: :MO!: :notworthy :respect: :elephant: RaT:
Well deserved and only the mickey mouse new points system made him have to fight so hard for it...
Michael.
RaT: Well deserved and only the mickey mouse new points system made him have to fight so hard for it...
Michael.
michaelab
desafinado
You wish
Michael.
ilockyer
rockin' in the free world
Seems like it was quite an eventful race, I only caught the last 1/4 or so of it, from where Ralf ran up the back of Michael's car, but Ferrari did what was necessary. 6 world championships, a record most thought would never be broken, let alone equalled, now gone.
I don't think he'll quit, indications are that won't happen until the end of contract in 2006, by which time hopefully either Rubens will be ready to fill the #1 driver slot (he probably is already but is happy as he is, it seems) or they'll have someone else lined up.
I don't think he'll quit, indications are that won't happen until the end of contract in 2006, by which time hopefully either Rubens will be ready to fill the #1 driver slot (he probably is already but is happy as he is, it seems) or they'll have someone else lined up.
lhatkins
Dazed and Confused
Michael Schumacher must be in Bery's pocket, gets a push out of a gravel trap, overtakes on yellow flags, ya never gets punished for anything he does and god knows what was going on on Sunday, hits another car takes his wing off, did he get done for it, nope, then same with is bother, ends up taking him off too, did he get done for that? Nope, what a surprise.
When he retires F1 will be worth watching again.
When he retires F1 will be worth watching again.
domfjbrown
live & breathe psy-trance
I didn't see the GP, but there's no point. As I've said before, just rename it the Michael Schumacker wins again boring as hell waste of a few hours show.
Shame there's no GP ombudsman to complain to.
Shame there's no GP ombudsman to complain to.
julian2002
Muper Soderator
over the past 5 years i have tried to watch every gp each season. unfortunately as the season draws to a close i find my interest waning as the inevitable happens again. this year i just ignored the entire thing and reserved sunday afternoons for listening to music. at least a few years ago you could rely on murray walker to not only put his foot in his mouth but also try and cram his leg in there up to the knee to keep things interesting. now you've got 2 ernie wises without eric morcambe. bring back murray and fleetwood mac i say.....
dummm dum dum dum du du du dum dum dummmmmmmm.
cheers
julian
dummm dum dum dum du du du dum dum dummmmmmmm.
cheers
julian
michaelab
desafinado
Which was perfectly legal in the circumstances (car in dangerous position with engine still running).
Nope. If you're referring to what happened at Indy it's quite clear he was well past Panis before he was in the yellow flag zone.
What about 2 race bans in '94, and numerous stop and go penalties since?
Nothing to get done for. He made an adventurous move which didn't come off and his "punishment" was losing his nose cone and having to come in for a new one. The other drive (Sato) was unaffected. You only get penalised if you take someone else off.
Also nothing to get done for. Da Matta braked way earlier than usual and Schumacher had to brake extremely hard (locking up his front wheels) and then swerve to avoid running into the back of him. Ralf was unfortunate to be right behind him and couldn't get out of the way fast enough. There's no way he "took his brother off"
What a load of rubbish.
More typical and completely unfounded British anti-Schumacher bias :SLEEP: :SLEEP:
Michael.
Thanks Mike, saved me from responding to those few misdemeanors 
So if a person/team dominates a sport for a long period of time because they are the best at it, the sport is no longer worth watching bollox.
So if a person/team dominates a sport for a long period of time because they are the best at it, the sport is no longer worth watching
bollox.
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domfjbrown
live & breathe psy-trance
Well, there's dominating, and dominating... Why watch it when you'll know who's going to win? It's like watching "Titanic" or "Apollo 13" - you KNOW what's going to happen every time....
We know that we are going to die, but that doesn't necessarily create the need to kill yourself immediately.
domfjbrown
live & breathe psy-trance
He he he - that's morbid dude - where's my Leonard Cohen and Morrissey albums gone? Oh, and Radiohead's latest...
Every day is like Sunday
Every day is silent and grey
Living is bad for your health...
Every day is like Sunday
Every day is silent and grey
Living is bad for your health...
julian2002
Muper Soderator
F1, like any sport is at the end of the day entertainment. a lot of the time, those running the governing body of the sport as well as the fans loose sight of this fact. watching f1 after you've become bored with it just for the sake of it is like buying the entire back catalogue of an artist just because you like one song.
if you really do enjoy the 70+ parade laps that the sport has become over the past few years with a few pile ups and rain induced incidents then good luck to you. i however have grown bored of it and wait for the sport to become exciting again. no one has yet said, my god that was a blinder of a race, packed with excitement from start to finish. where are the villeneuve, arnou or mansel, senna scraps of old that made races an exciting spectacle to watch? the most exciting thing that happens now is wondering which rookie is going to pile into the wall in canada or admiring the way that michael schumacher takes each corner perfectly lap after lap after lap after lap.... sorry no floating boats for me yet.
cheers
julian
if you really do enjoy the 70+ parade laps that the sport has become over the past few years with a few pile ups and rain induced incidents then good luck to you. i however have grown bored of it and wait for the sport to become exciting again. no one has yet said, my god that was a blinder of a race, packed with excitement from start to finish. where are the villeneuve, arnou or mansel, senna scraps of old that made races an exciting spectacle to watch? the most exciting thing that happens now is wondering which rookie is going to pile into the wall in canada or admiring the way that michael schumacher takes each corner perfectly lap after lap after lap after lap.... sorry no floating boats for me yet.
cheers
julian
'Sport' was not conceived on the basis of entertainment value for 'spectators' per se, but on the basis of competition, exercise and pleasure et al for the individuals taking part. It is more a symptom of the demands of the modern era, that the sports themselves have altered in response to the demands of an also ever increasing, rapid and disposable, entertainment hungry society.
Hence why the points scoring system in F1 has now been buggered in an attempt to improve 'entertainment value' instead of leaving it as it was, when the emphasis was on competition.
What incentive is there now for a driver to challenge for 1st position!!?? Might be more entertaining, but where is the sport???
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julian2002
Muper Soderator
cookie,
i would say you are correct for amateur sporting activity but when people are playing sports as a career and the teams / clubs they play for are publicly quoted companies then the 'sports as competition, exercise and pleasure et al for the individuals taking part' is a little unrealistic. its a part of it for sure but a far greater part is bums on seats and merchandising. i'm not saying there is anything wrong with this however it's perhaps telling though that i find league football to be tediousness incarnate whilst world cup games i never miss (or try not to).
f1 has, to use the vernacular, gone up it's own arse a bit in that it is no longer fun to watch, a fact bernie and his cronies are just starting to recognise and try to address, hence the flurry of rule changes at the end of last season. unfortunately there biggest thing stopping f1 from being enjoyable to a general audiance and not just tifosi is the ferrari team and their seeming unassailability. hopefully another drive / car combination will emerge soon that can challenge ferrarri and revive the glory days of f1.
cheers
julian
i would say you are correct for amateur sporting activity but when people are playing sports as a career and the teams / clubs they play for are publicly quoted companies then the 'sports as competition, exercise and pleasure et al for the individuals taking part' is a little unrealistic. its a part of it for sure but a far greater part is bums on seats and merchandising. i'm not saying there is anything wrong with this however it's perhaps telling though that i find league football to be tediousness incarnate whilst world cup games i never miss (or try not to).
f1 has, to use the vernacular, gone up it's own arse a bit in that it is no longer fun to watch, a fact bernie and his cronies are just starting to recognise and try to address, hence the flurry of rule changes at the end of last season. unfortunately there biggest thing stopping f1 from being enjoyable to a general audiance and not just tifosi is the ferrari team and their seeming unassailability. hopefully another drive / car combination will emerge soon that can challenge ferrarri and revive the glory days of f1.
cheers
julian
michaelab
desafinado
I don't agree that a sport (any sport) is boring just because one of it's competitors is head and shoulders above the rest and "always wins". Even Ferrari's arch rival Ron Dennis (of McLaren) argued against the rule changes for this year saying that it was up to him and the other teams to get their act together to mount a challenge to Ferrari and for once I agree with Ron
Also, Schumacher and Ferrari don't always win. Schumacher won 6 out of 16 races this year. They have won the championship for 4 years in succession though.
No one complained about a boring season or domination or tinkered with the rules when McLaren won 15 out of 16 races in 1988. They were utterly dominant. People say "ah yes, but at least Senna and Prost were racing each other". The trouble is, there isn't a driver around who could seriously challenge Schumacher in the same car. Barichello is the closest to him of any of his team mates. Even if you discount the rare occasions he's had to move over for Schumacher he would never have been able to mount a serious challenge.
The mickey mouse points system they have now may have made this season closer but had it been used in 1997 (when Villeneuve won the title at the last race after Schumacher's attempt to take him out failed) Schumacher would have won the title in Japan with a race to spare (and the infamous Jerez incident would never have happened) so the new system doesn't always make things closer.
People also have selective memories when talking about "the glory days of F1". Analysis of the 80s seasons shows there wasn't substantially more overtaking then than there is now.
This season was undoubtedly very exciting and there have been gripping races (Brazil, Indianapolis to name just two).
It all depends on what you think is exciting. If you want a bunch of similar performance cars dicing wheel to wheel with each other lap after lap with loads of overtaking then watch Formula 3000, CART, IRL or Touring Cars. Formula One has only ever been like that in people's rose tinted memories.
Michael.
Also, Schumacher and Ferrari don't always win. Schumacher won 6 out of 16 races this year. They have won the championship for 4 years in succession though.
No one complained about a boring season or domination or tinkered with the rules when McLaren won 15 out of 16 races in 1988. They were utterly dominant. People say "ah yes, but at least Senna and Prost were racing each other". The trouble is, there isn't a driver around who could seriously challenge Schumacher in the same car. Barichello is the closest to him of any of his team mates. Even if you discount the rare occasions he's had to move over for Schumacher he would never have been able to mount a serious challenge.
The mickey mouse points system they have now may have made this season closer but had it been used in 1997 (when Villeneuve won the title at the last race after Schumacher's attempt to take him out failed) Schumacher would have won the title in Japan with a race to spare (and the infamous Jerez incident would never have happened) so the new system doesn't always make things closer.
People also have selective memories when talking about "the glory days of F1". Analysis of the 80s seasons shows there wasn't substantially more overtaking then than there is now.
This season was undoubtedly very exciting and there have been gripping races (Brazil, Indianapolis to name just two).
It all depends on what you think is exciting. If you want a bunch of similar performance cars dicing wheel to wheel with each other lap after lap with loads of overtaking then watch Formula 3000, CART, IRL or Touring Cars. Formula One has only ever been like that in people's rose tinted memories.
Michael.
