kick racist cleric out I say...

Lt Cdr Data

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racist muslims burned the US flag in london.
Radical cleric who arrived here when he was 19 has existed for years on state benefits and has called for a jihad against the west, leading a big crowd.
that's how he repays the good british generosity

part of what's wrong with our country.
 
I think that this thread is a huge can of worms that won't serve any particular positive purpose. I will leave it open for now, but at the first sign of trouble I will close it.
 
Pakistani boy who came with nothing becomes the Mayor
By Ian Herbert, North of England Correspondent
21 May 2005


The prospects of a new life in Britain were hardly inviting for young Afzal Khan when he arrived, aged 12 and with no grasp of English, to face the limitations of life in a two-up, two-down terrace in rural Lancashire.

His parents had settled in Brierfield, a mill village between Burnley and Nelson where the way ahead for most British Pakistani boys was a job at the Smith & Nephew cotton mill.

And so it was for Afzal. The pay was poor, although an improvement on Jhelum, a Punjabi trading post built for the dispatch of cargoes between India and England, which his parents had left behind.

Then in the late 1980s, came the moment which changed his story of immigrant struggle into one of achievement and inspiration. Leaving the mill at 6am one morning, after another eight-hour night shift, he looked back at the Ribble Valley, saw the tiles of the old mill roof and, in his own words, asked himself: "Do I want to spend the rest of my life here?"

He quit the mill aged 20, went back into education and began a route to professional and civic life that this week saw him appointed as the first Asian Lord Mayor of Manchester.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=640100
 
I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it.--Voltaire

In the real world should this be unconditional or conditional?
 
auric said:
I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it.--Voltaire

In the real world should this be unconditional or conditional?
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This is a good question. A high degree of freedom of speech, freedom of image and so on is essential for a 'free' society. However, it must be conditional.

Surely we would draw the line at people using lies to disseminate racial or religious hatred, incitement to crime or violence or free trade in the pornographic photographs of children.

Tricky one.

(I'm not implying that Lt Cdr Data's original post falls into those categories btw.)
 
penance said:
Steve
Apparently a book of the Khoran(sp?) was flushed down a toilet in Gautalomo Bay camp.
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Well so Newsweek claimed in an article published some days ago. However, they have since retracted the story and apologised.

16 people were killed in 'revenge attacks' anyway.

For the latest, go to Technorati and type "koran newsweek" into the keyword box. That will take you into the heart of the Blogosphere.
 
A tricky one indeed.

Unconditional - yes but only if reciprocal between parties, so I suppoose that makes it conditional.
 
penance said:
Steve
Apparently a book of the Khoran(sp?) was flushed down a toilet in Gautalomo Bay camp.
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Careful Penance, the word 'Apparently' is not a statement and only hearsay.

If the Muslim clearic has called for a holy war he should be arrested for inciting violence.

The people i know of the Muslim faith are not like that, they are just trying to get on with there lives.
 
penance said:
Gazz,
why careful?
Im not stateing it as fact, just saying what i have read and saying maybe it has some bearing on the matter.
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The first world war was started because Austria/hungry thought it was surbia who killed Franz Ferdinan, it was never proven. So 'apparently' does not give someone the right to call for a holy war. Its the politics of fear on both sides.
 
Has it been proven that the alleged incidents did indeed occur? I think some of these ppl are getting too sensitive. A few weeks ago I read in the papers here that some Muslims in a Malaysian town were "not comfortable" when a church was proposed to be built in their town. I don't think its fair that we must always consider their sensitivites when they also did not consider others'.
 
GAZZ said:
The first world war was started because Austria/hungry thought it was surbia who killed Franz Ferdinan, it was never proven. So 'apparently' does not give someone the right to call for a holy war. Its the politics of fear on both sides.
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Im quite aware of that, and my knowledge of WW1 is ok.
I think you mis-understood what i said. I merely put across the other 'possible' side of the argument, i am not condoning any of the actions.
 
GAZZ said:
.... If the Muslim clearic has called for a holy war he should be arrested for inciting violence.

The people i know of the Muslim faith are not like that, they are just trying to get on with there lives.
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I have only read comments about what this Cleric said. But not what he actually said. Does anyone know?

I have heard some Muslim scholars point out that Jihad or 'holy war' does not necessarily mean 'war' as we know it in English.
 
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He openly condones terrorist attacks on western society, he is a trouble maker, and an racist extremist. The muslim faith is open to enterpretation and this is where the problem lies, for every Hamsa or Bin Laden there are thousands of hard working peacful muslims that don't make the news. I hate racism and violence (also hate PC), its a shame these extremists spoil it for everyone else, its worth remembering there are extremist zenophobes on both sides.

Hamsa should be deported or imprisoned for his encitment to create racial violence, as should anyone else regardless of colour or creed.

Muslims in general would do better to try and integrate a little with society which would avoid much of the missunderstanding. The local councils compound the problems with their OTT PCism, advertising jobs with contradicting statements like 'this is equal opportunities priority will be given to asian applicents' which gives the message they are different rather than trying to unite us all.

I do wish people would chill, life is too short to waste on these kind of persuits.
 
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