Microshafted?!

Tenson said:
Well £50 isn't so bad I suppose, I thought it was more than that. Though I do need networking so I guess thats £100 for Pro. Oh but the networking is so half arsed it can hardly be called that, and I would resent paying for it...

I see it more like if you pay a builder to do some work on your house and he does a really bad job. Do you pay him? No. But you still have to live in that house! I am forced to use XP because of their greedy attitude. They made software that only worked on XP despite it not needing to be that way. That forced me to use it but made me resent it even more. I don't want to encourage them to be lazy programmers though. I would have bought a genuine copy of 2K otherwise, that was a good OS. Rather than XP they should have tightened up 2K.

If XP stops working completely so be it, I'll switch to Linux in the end if given the push. So will a lot of other people. The whole of China for example. Microshaft don't have the Microballs to stop it working.

Call it tight if you want. I call it principle.
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Get your head around Linux then and stop moaning about Windows. I imagine the reason you're using Windows is because its easier to use. Either pay for it, keep using an illegal broken copy or start using Linux.

Edited to add: XP is a good O/S and better than Win2k which was their first good O/S.

As for your comment "I am forced to use XP because of their greedy attitude. They made software that only worked on XP despite it not needing to be that way.". You're not forced to use it and what software did they invest time and money in that they decided was not worth engineering for cross-platform O/S? Its in their interests for things to run only on Windows. It may be in your interests to move to open source software, but don;t complain about how they market their product.
 
greg said:
I imagine the reason you're using Windows is because its easier to use.
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No its because, as I have said, the programs I need are made to work on XP mainly. Cubase SX, PhotoShop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, Corel Draw, CoolEdit, ETF & lots of small apps.

I suppose apart from SX, they will run on 2K. Maybe i should dual boot.

Anyway, instead of penalising me for using a dodgy copy of a sht program even though I have bought other versions.. why not target people who download music? At least they have an incentive to get the real version and the artists make good material!
 
Tenson said:
No its because, as I have said, the programs I need are made to work on XP mainly. Cubase SX, PhotoShop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, Corel Draw, CoolEdit, ETF & lots of small apps.

I suppose apart from SX, they will run on 2K. Maybe i should dual boot.
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What don't you like about XP? If it's the play school look and feel you can switch it's UI to the Win2K classic style.
 
greg said:
what software did they invest time and money in that they decided was not worth engineering for cross-platform O/S? Its in their interests for things to run only on Windows. It may be in your interests to move to open source software, but don;t complain about how they market their product.
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Cubase SX is the main one I am thinking of but I'm sure there have been others since that. I was happy using 2K until I needed to change for that. But I know for a fact the program CAN run on 2K, they just struck some deal with M$ to make it only run on XP so every studio in the world that runs it must upgrade.

2k wasn't the first good OS. 3.11 (well not an OS) was an incredible leap forward. As was 95. 98 got a bit better though added some bugs. ME was CRAP. 2K was good too. XP :( It comes broken right out of the box! They started off well and just got worse!
 
Tenson said:
Not really. XP is a lot more bloated.
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Not really.

2k is windows NT 5.0

XP is windows NT 5.1

You can verify this if you want by opening a command prompt and typing "ver".

I've certainly found XP more reliable and with a good number of useful additional features over 2k.
 
Tenson said:
I have alreaddy explained what I don't like.
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Ah I spotted your post. Are you sure its not apps like Cubase that are to blame? Cubase on Windows is notoriously bad. In using XP extensively in our company it's been mostly very good indeed in lots of ways. Plus we don't seem to have trouble networking with our Linux or Windows servers. As a software developer I object to software being seen as inherently FOC if you can find the crack.
 
Isaac Sibson said:
Not really.

2k is windows NT 5.0

XP is windows NT 5.1

You can verify this if you want by opening a command prompt and typing "ver".

I've certainly found XP more reliable and with a good number of useful additional features over 2k.
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What numbers they put after it make no difference. It is full of useless features, masses of security holes, bugs and runs slower than anything that came before it (but it boots up faster woohoo!). The number of security holes is enough to classify it as broken on its own IMO.

Greg,

The problem with the Linux server was something to do with authenticating the user account. I don't really remember now as it was at my Dad's place. As a software developer don't you think XP has really screwed up permissions? I mean what about accessing files from over the network? You can see the files of the person logged on. What if you are another user of that computer with your own account and want to access your files from another computer? What if I want to give certain permissions to one user on another computer and others to someone else? I know a server fixes most of these problems but XP is supposed to be a multi-user system!! What if you want to install some software when logged in as a user without that permission? Are you simply prompted for the admin password? NO! You need to log in again! Hmm, what about installing it on a computer without an internet connection? Can you authenticate? I think there is a way but it isn't easy IIRC.
 
Paul Ranson said:
I guess you didn't pay for Cubase etc either?
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Hmmm. that thought crossed my mind as well. There's several hundred quid of Adobe software as well. I'm sure that Tenson will be happy to confirm that as all the apps are usefull and not broken he's paid for them.

So did you pay, Tenson?

Tenson said:
what about installing it on a computer without an internet connection? Can you authenticate? I think there is a way but it isn't easy IIRC.
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Are you talking about XP? I just phoned a Freephone number and Micro$oft give you a code to activate Windows. Or has that changed now?
 
avanzato said:
Are you talking about XP? I just phoned a Freephone number and Micro$oft give you a code to activate Windows. Or has that changed now?
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Dunno, I remember someone telling me it was very hard for them when they had to do it.

I have paid for many of them but my funds are not unlimited. Cubase is one 'I' paid for. It took both my Birthday and Xmas present from my Dad to do so.

Paul you are right stealing is not okay and I do feel a bit guilty sometimes but I don't have the money to throw at whatever I like (despite having a good Hi-Fi - my life savings since the age of six) and XP is NOT fine. It is a piece of software from a monopolistic corporation with no limits to their resources. Yet they produce what they KNOW is JAM PACKED with security holes, bugs and annoyances and will be used the world over. It is NOT okay. The fact bedroom programmers can make better stuff like good Linux disto's should embarrass them.

Put those factors together and I am not very convinced.

I suppose you can proudly say you have never downloaded music or watched pirate films nor have a single piece of cracked software?

Could I suggest that they want people to use it even if it is cracked? That's why they don't disable it completely. It isn't as bad for them as you might think that everyone who uses a computer learns to use their products. The problem for them is not 19yr olds sitting in their bedroom using a computer with XP even though they last paid for 98. It is when an entire run of products gets faked and sold to another country or a large company. People who would have otherwise bought hundreds of legal copies. THAT is why they just give you a warning not a complete cut off, to stop entire companies being kitted out with pirate XP. They like the others to use it anyway so that when they get hired by these companies and are asked 'what OS do you know how to use?' they reply 'Windows XP' and another 300 copies are sold.

Anyway I have said my piece so on that note I will withdraw from this convocation.
 
You're not alone on this Tenson; I use a slightly iffy copy of XP also, and have gotten around the irritating messages very simply by getting Zonealarm to kill the process that generates them :D .

I have two computers, one of which is fully licensed up, and this one, which isn't. I have no problems sleeping at night. I spent many years making personal but illegal copies of music too, and still have a handful copied CD's. Who hasn't? (cue a barrage of holier than thou responses)

I will probably buy a license for it soon though, as I've felt obliged to turn automatic updates off in order to stop Microsoft from eventually knobbling my OS, and as there seems to be an endless procession of critical updates for XP I'd prefer to have an updated version.

I tried Ubuntu, but it was cumbersome and slow. Great selection of screensavers though ;) .
 
Tenson said:
Just for the record I wouldn't mind paying if it was as good as OSX. Maybe I should try switching to Linux.
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Can I pop round and pinch some of your Soundspace Architectureâ„¢ ?
 
As I said, I am withdrawing from this convocation as it seems a lot of you are here to just make yourselves feel like better people than I am, just because you did one thing in your life by the law where I didn't. At least I can present a reasonable argument as to why it is not that bad. And hell, I do actually own a copy as it turns out!

Besides, a friend of my Dad's knows Bill Gates so I feel we would be on good terms if he ever found out lol! My Dads friend uses a Mac as well!
 
Tenson, the facility to allow a user to delete threads they have started is not there to allow you to bin an argument when you can no longer be bothered to argue your side so I've re-instated this thread. You said you were withdrawing from the thread, that's fine, but you made your bed so now you're going to have to lie in it I'm afraid.

Michael.
 

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