the issue that i am trying to make on this thread, it's quite simple, if this issue about going "green" is that those that do not nothing about it but only punish us just to gain votes as riding in the band wagon of poitical correcness, what do they know about electronics? or cars, trains, underground, or the underground does not consume electricity! why pick on subjects that they do not nothing about and concentrate on what is, is a matter of do as i say not as i do, let all the ministers ride bikes. nando