Naim Prototype DAC at Bristol

I never knew him other than the forums. Sounds like he was a good friend. It's a shame he couldn't find the help he needed.

Sampling the whole album as we speak--cd on order;-)

Thanks again bub.
 
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you can believe or disbelieve what ever you like .....what the three people and my self heard ...was as described. Backed up with the sound heard at the various shows....

you can fairly easly tailor a sound by using various curcuit ..that you ccould call time alignment or something similar ! also the extensive use of tantalum beads in the signal path has always deeply worried me ...when I've heard the effect of just one in the signal path. I've no wish to recreate this fish eyeing of the sound so I don't propose to spend any time working out why ...but if you wanted to create a different house sound then something like this would be ideal to distigish your gear from others on the market.

Don't get me wrong ... I'm not saying that either presentation is right or wrong, but its not just me thats heard and commented about this in the past.

If that the presentation your prefere then great ...no problems ....but don't tell me what I can and can't hear/heard when you weren't present. After all these were and are only my wn personal opinions. I just thought it might help explain the question that was asked.
 
All opinions are apparently valid, as they say. The fisheye thing is a completely new one on me, it doesn't tally with my experience, and I don't buy your theory - but there you go!
 
The Devil said:
All opinions are apparently valid, as they say. The fisheye thing is a completely new one on me, it doesn't tally with my experience, and I don't buy your theory - but there you go!
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I can comfrim it though.

I had a 72/140 combo which displayed those traits.

Pete was able to advise in equipment.....far better
 
You are just the confirmation I needed! In over 20 years of listening to various Naim (and non-Naim) hi-fis, I have never heard this alleged effect.
 
The Devil said:
You are just the confirmation I needed! In over 20 years of listening to various Naim (and non-Naim) hi-fis, I have never heard this alleged effect.
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Theres a first time for everything!


;)



Def true in my experience


In fairness, "Devil",it is a fairly well documented trait of Naim stuff.

It does seem to have its own sonic presentation style. Thats not say it wrong....just different. I am happy I moved away from it though.
 
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The Devil said:
All opinions are apparently valid, as they say. The fisheye thing is a completely new one on me, it doesn't tally with my experience, and I don't buy your theory - but there you go!
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so why do you not accept mine ???


I did say it was an analogy other people call it the "naim wall of sound" ....now you must have heard of that?

For me you can call it what you like ...I'm just not that interested in something that doesn't float my boat.
 
The Devil said:
Of course I've heard of that. I've read it on the internet, so naturally it must be a true phenomenon. Like water divining, for instance.
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I'm just trying to work ouit what the value of your sarcastic posting actually was.

Maybe I misunderstood it.

I hope so.


(FWIW your comment is barely worth response....but I (and Zanash) have personal experince of both dowsing AND Naim equipment. Therefore your comment certain served to annoy me but was never the less pretty groundless.)
 
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zanash said:
THIS OFF TOPIC !

having spent a considerable ammount of time listening to various makes and models of hifi [30years plus] its clear to me that the naim sound or wall of sound as some people term it ....can consitently be heard. Its more in the sense of the presntation of the music rather than any overt "better bass or that misleading prat thing "

I'll use an analogy listening to naim gear be it just a cdp or a whole system [I've not heard the 12 out side shows but most of the rest cdx's 5's 3.5's etc i've listened to] is like looking at a fish eye lens photo ..all the sound from the central image is extended out the the edges of the speakers the remain left right imagine is then squashed into the remaining space .....now you would not know unless you imediately played the same cd in another cdp [not linn or naim] in the same system . The most tantiising demonstration of this was with a quad 99cdp2 and a 5i [?] portraying this effect using none naim amplification and speakers . It was abundantly clear to everyone listening .....neither was wrong both presentations had people tapping feet etc but for me the distorted ? presentation made no sense of left right imaging ...in that the centre of the sound stage was basically mono to my way of thinking.

I've heard this effect in all but a few naim systems from the humblest to nearly the most expensive ...but oddly the very top of the range had a normal ? [from my point of view ] presentation. As opposed to the room next door playing the same track [heathrow 2008]
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No offence Zanash but I've never heard this "fish-eye" effect where the central image extends to the speakers with the remainder hanging off the edges...with any brand of gear. I suspect its in the recordings or the installation. If it were the Naim gear, it would exhibit the trait with every recording--all the time. Clearly not the case or you'd hear it discussed everywhere (and frequently) by fans and detractors alike.

regards,

dave

Naim owning and fish-eyeless since '77.
 
The Devil said:
Of course I've heard of that. I've read it on the internet, so naturally it must be a true phenomenon. Like water divining, for instance.
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Most of this stuff only exists on the internet in chat rooms. Before the internet the audio press fulfilled the function of promoting this 'house sound' nonsense. My own experience is that under blind conditions people can't tell if they're listening to a Naim, Cyrus, Quad, Arcam etc so long as the amplifier is working properly.
Give them visual and suddenly all the old clichés get trotted out.

For an industry that should be (and once was) rooted in science you really do read the oddest stuff on the net at times.
 
well its not just me talking about it take a look on pink fish

as for dowsing or divining or witching..... a recent course in land survey held at Nottingham Trent uni found that the 08 intake 80% could dowse the split being slightly more women than men [60/40] in an intake of 30 .... were able to do it with out problems so its nothing special ...

those that could not do it were described as "closed minded and rather too rigid thinkers or religious zealots " not my words ...but the words of the course coordinator [with whom I have no connection]

I'm affraid its your loss if you can or won't .....

but if your interested please feel free to google there are endless help sites or contact me for a list of good books on the subject.
 
I've found IME most of the 'Naim sound' comes from the speakers, which are very idiosynchratic. I have heard Intro's, SBL's and others.

I can enjoy them, but I do like to listen to a variety of hifi systems. They aren't for everyone.

Bub only uses a Naim pre (I believe), with power amps by ATC built into his speakers. It's not suprising that the sound of the system is non typical of a full Naim system.

I haven't heard Bub's system, but I have heard that it is good, and I'm sure that is probably the case.

For some strange reason I've never heard Isobariks. I don't know why that is the case, it's just a speaker I've never happened across. THis is strangely also the case with Kans. If anyone lives near MK and has a pair I'd be interested to hear what they are like to have a better understanding.
 
zanash said:
well its not just me talking about it take a look on pink fish

as for dowsing or divining or witching..... a recent course in land survey held at Nottingham Trent uni found that the 08 intake 80% could dowse the split being slightly more women than men [60/40] in an intake of 30 .... were able to do it with out problems so its nothing special ...

those that could not do it were described as "closed minded and rather too rigid thinkers or religious zealots " not my words ...but the words of the course coordinator [with whom I have no connection]

I'm affraid its your loss if you can or won't .....

but if your interested please feel free to google there are endless help sites or contact me for a list of good books on the subject.
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Here, try this...http://www.randi.org/library/dowsing/ it could make you rich.
 
lAmBoY said:
Here, try this...http://www.randi.org/library/dowsing/ it could make you rich.
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Yeah I read that too, mate......

There are (IMO) many anomilies and inaccuracies in the text...to the extent I e-mailed the guy.

It was a shame because the note started out neutrally so for people who just want to find out more for their own satisfaction...it was not good at all.

BTW... dowsing is a creative thing...not there to make you rich., as i've said before ;).
 
the randi challenge (oo'er missus) has a $1million prize for proving paranormal myths.

If you could dowse for oil, or gold, or diamonds - Wow! just think of all the protoype naim dacs you could buy then (just keepin on topic is all)
 
My car is powered by a magical guinea pig. His true form is only seen by those of pure heart; should unclean eyes set their gaze up on him he will appear unto them as an internal combustion engine.

Can I have my $1m please.
 

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