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ok duped was a bit harsh ...but the facts in the article were wrong ? or did I miss something?

IF I had not asked the question ..no one would be any the wiser and many of the readers of that mag will still think that what was printed was in fact pucker 100% solid gold standard ...which we now find is not the case ...for what ever reason.

there is no excuse to go to print with misleading/wrong /inaccurate information ... [delete as appropriate]

So exactly how is one to work out that Dr sawyer is not what was stated in the article ...by reading the article ?

I might be a bit dim but ...I can't work that out ...

If it wasn't for mosfet [all credit to him ] we would still think that what was printed was correct.

No amount of shifting blame will alter the fact that I was misled by the printed article ...not by RA

perhaps if you've read the retraction you'd be good enough to let us in on the "secret"

I will freely admit to not having seen your inital post which clearly shows how far the magazine article got it wrong but don't shoot the messanger if you don't like the message !
 
Phil Hansen said:
I will, once again, request that facts are checked before jumping in and making posts about these issues, and that the moderators of this forum might wish to reiterate that allegations made should be able to be substantiated.
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For what it's worth, I think for a newcomer to the forum your posts are coming across as ''strong-arm'' - and that doesn't help much..



Cheers,
Chris.
 
Phil Hansen said:
I will, once again, request that facts are checked before jumping in and making posts about these issues, and that the moderators of this forum might wish to reiterate that allegations made should be able to be substantiated.
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It might be more interesting to read what the organ grinder has to say about his magic mains cables, rather than belligerent remarks from the monkey. In particular - can people tell them apart from ordinary, non-magic mains cables, unsighted?
 
RobHolt said:
I blame the PRaT-less SME deck myself, and everyone knows that old Naim pre amp is well past it.
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No the SME decks have plenty of PRAT - it is all just external to the deck and has no effect on sound quality. ;)

I do find it funny when people who reject the cable religion have plenty of their own and dont seem to grasp the irony
 
Apart from the usual disagreements .....which at this point I feel could be put to one side ....

The Question for me now is why did the magazine print what they printed ......

Until we see any retraction or appology from the magazine we can not know why the article contained so many errors ....

It seems clear that the relevant information [wether that is actually correct or not is a different matter] was provided by RA's PR dept. There's also no doubting what people have personally experienced at these demonstrations and in there own homes......Which leads me to the conclusion thats its cock up rather than conspiracy ie another example of sloppy journalism. This of course is only my opinion and I wait to find out what actually happened with baited breath.
 
The Devil said:
As this one's died, I guess Russ Abbot has nothing to say on the subject of audibility, which is not very surprising.
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Interesting ..

I did smile..

I saw my brother an hour or so ago....he uses a MF/Spendor combo.

He mentioned that he'd bought a power conditioner, first for hs home cinema kit, then the above ......and noticed "quite a difference"...

I did think about you :)
 
DavidF said:
Interesting ..

I did smile..

I saw my brother an hour or so ago....he uses a MF/Spendor combo.

He mentioned that he'd bought a power conditioner, first for hs home cinema kit, then the above ......and noticed "quite a difference"...

I did think about you :)
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This is to be expected ..

Placebo ..... responders will ......notice ...a ....difference. ..even if no ...difference exists..
 
Like many of you i received last months RA catalogue. And like many of you I read the description of the peer review and read it as he was a professor at southhampton. If he is not then I can only believe that they specifically wrote that section to imply that he was such. I'm a professional copywriter by trade, if I assumed that then I can only assume it was written to make people think he was at the Uni.

The original BD investigation does not look at the audibility of distortion on the mains, and it uses 'synthetic' distortion. All it shows is that braided cables can reduce Emi pick up, this was never doubted, it was the audibility of this Eli that was under question.

Nothing has been proved here With regard to the effect of cables on distortion being audible, no matter how RA chooses to present it.
 
my final word on this thread .......is to point out that the magazine in there may issue have promulgated an appology for the misinformation published. It doesn't state who provided the information that was at variance to the facts ...as far as I can see. It does go some way to illuminating the issues raised.

those of you who are interested will no doubt be able to hunt down a copy of the mag .....

just goes to show that If I had not complained to the editor then nothing would have been done ......[I'm not aware of any other complainers but if there are well done too] My thanks go out to Mosfet without whom this would not have been possible ...good on you mate!
 
It never ceases to amaze me how people decry one type of snake oil while espousing another.
 
Mescalito said:
I was merely agreeing with The Devils observation re. the placebo effect, David.

Regards,
Chris
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Fine .

Cables etc mean different things to different people, as we know well by now.

I would ask that the sceptics (shall we say) don't try to spoil things for other people....I have had a lot of fun experimenting.

Like I say, fashion is serously not my cup of tea but I don't discourage those who want to try new things.
 
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