Tone Control Unit's As Add On's

Hi Darryl

I have quite a few scattered around the offices/ homes I have.
At the upper end it's a VPI HRX, 2 week old Kuzma 4 point, Ortofon PW Winfeld, Whest MC REF V phono stage, Lamm L2 preamp, ATC active 150s (2005 version). At lower end you don't want to know.
I wouldn't say I was knowledgeable at all, but some of this is pretty common sense.
 
cheers for that rob.

i kinda agree with you about some of the pro / semi pro gear as obviously some gear is made to a price point.

but also some pieces out perform at there price points and can even beat costly modern / classic studio gear.

i'd not dismiss tensons tweaked up behringer as although i have not heard it myself , i know some people who have who rate it very highly and i know for a fact it is one of behringers better products to start with.

how are you getting on with the kuzma ?
 
the 4 point is really nice. I've gone through a few arms on the HRX but this is the best I have heard on it. I had a Triplanar for a while but I found it too 'sensitive' and far too fiddly. I did consider an air bearing but the noise of the pumps are too off-putting.

I'm sure Tensons Behinger is good but as I said before it's no giant killer. Having listened to many EQ units over the years and also had 1st hand experience of the Behinger DEQ2496 which was not good at all AND also listened to a lot of different hifi gear in my systems like most guys here, I believe we all know that you pays-for-what-you-gets.

to make it simple:
a Linn K9 is not as good as a Dynavector XX2 Mk2 and no matter how much glue you use on that body, the K9 is going to stay a Linn K9. And like the Behinger unit, no matter what you do to it it will always have it's limitations which are inherent to its design topology. Tenson does not re-design the unit. The topology is fundamentally the same. All he is doing is making sound a lot better than what it is. It still has it's fundamental problems with its gain stages, EQ sections and how the VCAs work. The converters are not Apogee grade and the VCAs are not GML grade. Believe me, if I thought for a second that I could get away with using any piece of Behinger gear in the studios - I would!
 
robM said:
Tenson


I think that is basically flawed. It all depends on the playback system. If your playback system is a laptop with a very basic soundcard and loudspeakers - like most have, then you'll be hard pressed to tell the difference.
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Easily solved, play the files back on your own system.
Or get a bunch of people to play them back on a variety of systems.

Several ways to do this.
Those with less than great soundcards needn't be left out - just burn the file to CD and play on a good CD player.

On the other hand a good pair of headphones connected to a laptop is a good deal more transparent and direct than many audio systems out there.
 
Hi RobM,

It sounds like a fun test to me. I'll put the files on the web so you can download them and listen to them on your own system. One will be a direct bit-for-bit CD rip, so when you play that it should sound just like the CD being played on your own system. The other file will be the CD being played through the modified D/A conversion and then back in to the A/D conversion process.

I'll probably do it at the weekend.
 
HI ROBM, I
have just done a test between vynil and digital recordings, same tune on both formats, cd is original ,not cdr, using word sampling from sacd frequency's sampling and analogue vynil on to a tascam recorder ,playing both side to side the vynill sounded better, how ever by playing the cd copy , and vynil via a adc graphic the cd coppy sounded awesome at a sampling rate of 196
khz, however the vynil copy was faster and more of a pleasure with ease to listen to,
nando.
 
Hi Tenson can you just clarify this for me: using word sampling from sacd frequency's sampling and analogue vynil on to a tascam recorder

What Tascam recorder do you use? I have an old Genex GX9000
DSD recorder as well as a an upgraded Sonoma 32 which is a nice unit. The Sonoma is quite rare but this one has been converted to run under Mac OSX 10.5

I hate to do this as I am often corrected but it's vinyl not vynil.
 
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RobHolt said:
Getting back to tone controls, I'm certain there is a market and Joseph's comments confirm this.

In fact we are kidding ourselves that they ever went out of fashion - they haven't of course. A handful of audiophiles wedded to hair-shirt boxes born on someone's kitchen table is no indicator of the wider audio market, and I don't just mean the crappy end of the market either.

I'm certainly interested in the project of a modern add-on 'tilt' type unit, perhaps with some independent bass shelf options with adjustable corner frequency. In fact I have the Quad schematics and it isn't particularly complex. The key would be striking the correct balance between a genuinely useful product and something that isn't overly complex.
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hi rob, it could be done, reading now the tannoy story book it has a perfect desing of tonal frequency diagrams that quad used to try to use, only these are more advanced, they can be even made to match frequency roll-off on speakers, wow,
nando.
 

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