Vertex products review on TNT

I met him about 5 weeks ago, he seemed a nice enough chap and by the sounds of it business is going aright for him :)

He wouldn't reveal much about the 'acoustic absorption' inside his products though ;)
 
I like John. He should be in Ubon Rachanthani not the south east of England. I don't wish the guy any ill.

Still, I owned some of the Vertex kit - in particular the Jaya mains conditioner. Most listeners really struggled to hear any difference at all until I pointed it out. Whether I could really hear it's effect without knowing it was in circuit I really don't know.

I will tell you something though - I was still able to differentiate between vinyl and CD:D The reviewer is very "enthusiastic"

I sold it on to an enthusiastic guy in Waitrose car park. I must admit it was one of the few times I felt really guilty.
 
let me guess, you don't believe in mains quality and think that every hifi component has perfect filtering...


i like his comments on placing something on the speaker: 'yes of course it drew vibration out of the speaker....er no, it either damped the vibration or affected the refraction of sound around the speaker. a coffee mug does exactly the same.
 
And for once, the proof of the theory is clearly audible in the demonstration of the theory!
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Mr. Whetstone really should know better. And Vertex products making cds sound more like vinyl? In my book that would be a very good reason to avoid these products.

Regards,

L.
 
He wouldn't reveal much about the 'acoustic absorption' inside his products though
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i like his comments on placing something on the speaker: 'yes of course it drew vibration out of the speaker....er no, it either damped the vibration or affected the refraction of sound around the speaker. a coffee mug does exactly the same.
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There you Simon - you can find out all you need to know from sq225917.
 
I think the most amusing part is that this

Finally, out came a Jaya mains filter, the 'basic' model and we plugged it into a spare socket on the other side of the room. Almost with relief, I didn't notice any difference at this stage although John Cheadle suggested that I could experiment with where it was plugged in. I later moved the Jaya to a socket adjacent to my music server PC and did notice a very small, but definite improvement.
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becomes this

A few hundred pounds spent on a Jaya mains filter should produce an improvement in a system that would cost thousands if say one of the major components like a CDP or DAC was upgraded......The Jaya mains filter will almost certainly bring a big performance boost to any system,
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In the summing up.

Talk about BS - quite a jump me thinks....
 
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Stereo Mic, please read that review carefully before quoting it out of context!

The Jaya I reported hearing no improvement with was plugged in, in addition to the Silver Jaya. I was saying that I couldn't hear a difference using two compared to one!

While healthy debate makes for a good forum, there seems to be a few on ZeroGain who seek to enhance there perceived reputation by constant nit-picking. I would urge those people to work on understanding the following:

It is the fruit that makes the tree bow low.
 
Ah. So where do you discuss using the standard Jaya by itself? I seem to have missed that. You moved the silver one at the same time to the music server did you?
 
No, for the demo, we just started with the Silver Jaya, and kept adding items, ending with the standard Jaya.

It was later when I was 'playing around' that I moved the standard Jaya to the socket next to the music server.

My apolgies if I haven't made that clear enough in the review.
 
So later you moved the Standard Jaya to the other circuit and heard

a very small, but definite improvement.
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Somewhat similar to my findings - except I would add you had to really listen for it to hear any improvement and didn't really notice when it was not there.

But how does that, suddenly become,

A few hundred pounds spent on a Jaya mains filter should produce an improvement in a system that would cost thousands if say one of the major components like a CDP or DAC was upgraded......The Jaya mains filter will almost certainly bring a big performance boost to any system,
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Which from my own personal experience is I'm afraid unbelievable in the extreme?
 
i think it was Totem who made them and they were called beaks.

i think.

40-50mm diameter about 80mm high,machined from acetyl with domed tops. ynmoan has a pair.

placed on on front corner of his flat topped epos standmounters they pinch the soundstage,place on the opposite front corner they slightly broaden the sound stage. not by huge amounts, similar to toeing in and out by 5 degrees or so, but without the hollow space in the centre if you toe out too much.

with eyes shut, 9 times out of 10 you can guess the position.
 
But how does that, suddenly become,

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A few hundred pounds spent on a Jaya mains filter should produce an improvement in a system that would cost thousands if say one of the major components like a CDP or DAC was upgraded......The Jaya mains filter will almost certainly bring a big performance boost to any system,
Which from my own personal experience is I'm afraid unbelievable in the extreme?
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The Silver Jaya was still in place when I moved the standard Jaya next to the PC (music server).

My strong recommendation for the Silver Jaya is based on the improvement it made when we started the demo.

So adding a second Jaya, on the same ring main did not make as much difference again, but then my recommendation is based on the assumption that most people don't already have a Silver Jaya in their system. I don't think anywhere in that review that I suggested somebody buy two Jayas.

One more time then, the first Silver Jaya made a big improvement, adding a second standard one made a slight improvement. My recommendation was based on that.
 
sq225917, I have never heard the items that you describe so won't be so stupid as to comment on them, one way or the other.

What I will say, is that from your detailed description, they bear no similarity to the Picos, other than both can be placed on top of a loudspeaker. ;)
 
Can this 'improvement' be measured!
Sorry I do apologise just found myself caught up in this new ZG empiricism, carry on.
 

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