warm, smooth amp recommendations pls

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I know some purists will turn up thier noses at my preference, but I would be grateful for any recommendations for a warm, smooth amp to drive my Spendor s5e's.

I know there's no substitiute for listening, but i'd be grateful for tips of where to start.

Why a warm smooth amp?
-i need a full warm sound at LOW volume levels as this my listening room is below my very young son's room .
-I seldom listen loudly anyway
- my listening room has wooden floors and big windows. now I've negotiated corduroy curtains and rugs on the wall & floor, but the room still sounds bright, especially in the summer when one might want the cutains open!
- I listen to music mostly after a hard day at the factory, while relaxing with a glass of wine
-I like a warm sound!

Current Amp is an Arcam FMJ A22, cable is VDH Teatrack.

I listen to most music, excepting hard rock & techno. I do like Jazz.

I'm considering a Unison research Unico or Sugden A21a series 2 - any opinions on these? Any other suggestions in the £1000 region? (Happy to buy second hand too)

Thanks in advance.
 
Only the older class AB (A48) Sugden amps sound warm. The class A amps are not at all warm sounding. They are incredibly clear in the mids and highs and smooth at the same time but not cloggy warm. Apparently very good with the Spendors but have a test drive first.
 
IMO the A21a and Unico are quite comparable in style and delivery - both smooth and clear, but as Chis says not overly 'warm'. I'd heartily recommend either, as I've previously owned a Sugden A21a and I currently own a Unico (original 80wpc version). Not tried with Spendors but have been a nice match to Rogers and Tannoys.
 
Try and have a listen to an EL34 valve amp , I think it will give you what your looking for .
 
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Try and have a listen to an EL34 valve amp , I think it will give you what your looking for .
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I was going to say the same thing.

Start with a valve amp and try different valves for the sound you like. I use EL34s but if you have the dosh there are many other to experiment with.
 
Go for valves is you want to deliberately skew the sound in one direction tonally, but there is no free lunch by following that path. Not all valve amps do this - large, expensive designs such as the EAR models don't sound warm at all but many sub £1k valve amps do.

Personally, I think you would be wasting your money as there are better, simpler, cheaper ways to achieve a warmer sound at low listening levels. I wouldn't change the Arcam for another solid state amplifier as this truly is tinkering at the extremes unless you are swapping it for something that allows subtle tonal correction.

To give you food for thought, I'm currently listening to a freshly revamped Quad 34/306 pre/power amplifier bought for £300.
On it you will find a 'tilt' control which is designed to subtly warm or cool the sound as required. If you want tonal correction, that (and also DSP) is the way to achieve it with far better results, and hugely more predictable results, than swapping notionally 'flat' boxes of electronics.

Something that is largely forgotten today but was well understood many years ago is that the ear is less sensitive to low frequencies at low listening levels.
There is only one way to correct for this - boost LF at low listening levels. Now, the problem with designing a system that always sounds warm when playing quietly (through component choice) is that it sounds overblown and muddy as you turn up the volume, because the ear's LF sensitivity then increases - and you cannot 'turn off' the effect because it is part of the design.
 
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jazzpioneer said:
... LOW volume levels as this my listening room is below my very young son's room .
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I have no idea what you mean by "warm smooth", but I do know that if you tiptoe around very quietly whenever your son is asleep, then you will be creating a rod for your own backs. I would recommend that you play music at normal levels.
 
The Devil said:
if you tiptoe around very quietly whenever your son is asleep, then you will be creating a rod for your own backs. I would recommend that you play music at normal levels.
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Hi Devil - yep couldn't agree more - I'll pass your comment on to my missus - I'm sure this will persuede her:D
 
The Devil said:
I have no idea what you mean by "warm smooth", but I do know that if you tiptoe around very quietly whenever your son is asleep, then you will be creating a rod for your own backs. I would recommend that you play music at normal levels.
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Its surely right to show consideration if you have young children.

Its off topic, I know but unusually I can't really agree with you statement TD.

Anyone else?
 
DavidF said:
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Its surely right to show consideration if you have young children.

Its off topic, I know but unusually I can't really agree with you statement TD.

Anyone else?
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Folks...

I really value everyone's contributions to my amp problem, given me plently to research, and a good direction.

As for my little boy sleeping.... Of course I'd never want to wake him with my music, any more than I'd want to wake someone else who was sleeping. But at the same time its impractical to tiptoe around the house if he's sleeping - so there is a balance to be found.

The little guy is sound asleep upstairs, and pops is listening to Hendrix's Blues below, at about talking level voume. Everyone is happy!

So if folks dont mind, could we have more amp suggestions as this is whats vexing me at the minute. Thanks again for the suggestions thus far.
 
DAVIDF
It's clear you don't have any children. I'm not suggesting you have a loud party when the children are in bed, but if you creep about being unnaturally quiet, then all you achieve is children who can sleep only if it's very quiet.

OP
RobHolt gave you the information you need.
 
DavidF said:
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Its surely right to show consideration if you have young children.
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Keeping off topic, but kids ability to sleep tends to be inversely proportional to noise??

Learnt that lesson with the first born. We've had the builders in the last few months, cutting, bashing, thumping away from 8.00am each day and the babies/toddlers have never slept so well.
 
The Devil said:
DAVIDF
It's clear you don't have any children. I'm not suggesting you have a loud party when the children are in bed, but if you creep about being unnaturally quiet, then all you achieve is children who can sleep only if it's very quiet.

OP
RobHolt gave you the information you need.
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lol

Your posts always start (or end) with unpleasant comment!

Like I say being considerate with a hobby that is inevitably a little noisy is not the equalent of "creeping around" or being "unnaturally quiet".

You are right to the extent that I have no children.
 
I agree with Piglet.

I have two boys, a 4 year old and a 10 month old, and I listen to symphonic music...loud (I have a pair of horns :D). And, so far, they never woke up because of my music.

About your amplifier. I would recommend something totally different: roll off the HF output of your speakers from 10KHz onwards and you'll be in heaven. ;)

God should punish the creator of the flat anechoic 20-20K.:SWMBO:
 
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JazzP ,

Hmmmm , Given your musical predilections and requirement and were you to be considering valves ? Then I would recommend an amp running KT66 or poss even 6L6G's .

If vintage amps take your fancy then a Good pair of Quad II's might fit the bill ( although there are better KT66 amps eg Pye HF25 or RCA Orthophonic however they are rather thin on the ground and more expensive compared to the Quads which appear for sale pretty regularly within your budget )
 
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JazzP ,

and were you to be considering valves ? Then I would recommend an amp running KT66 or poss even 6L6G's .
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Thanks TheMOON. In fact valves to appeal, I'll keep a look out for a pair of quads...

THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR THIER RECOMMENDATIONS & COMMENTS.

Jazz.
 

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