WTB : Berning ZH270
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Good luck. I'm not letting go of mine, but if you have not tried already, you could email Allan at [[email protected]].
Berning zh 270
i contacted Allan , very nice guy .
i heard there will be a new model coming out the
zh230 30watt monoblocks .
still trying to get more information.
well , depending on the price i might jump on those or ,
other people might get motivated to let go of the zh270 to try the new model ....
anybody else heard about the zh230 ?
i contacted Allan , very nice guy .
i heard there will be a new model coming out the
zh230 30watt monoblocks .
still trying to get more information.
well , depending on the price i might jump on those or ,
other people might get motivated to let go of the zh270 to try the new model ....
anybody else heard about the zh230 ?
berning zh230 coming
just as i mentioned in my wanted ad , there is a zh230 ampcoming from david berning.
i just received an email from david with the following information:
perhaps you will let go of your zh270 so i can buy it???
Malcolm,
There is a ZH 230 coming. It will use the same output tubes as the Quad Z
amps, the 33JV6. It will also feature a low-loss ceramic circuit board like
the Quad Z and a Power factor corrected power supply like the Quad Z. Even
though the power will be lower than the ZH270 at 30 watts, it will have to
cost more that the ZH270; probably around $7500 because of all the premiums.
The chassis will also be nicer than the ZH270, and will include the
Stillpoint feet. The bias will be set hotter than the ZH270, something that
the lower power allows us to do. This means a more effortless sound than the
ZH270. The premium circuit board improves presense and resolution without
making it sound brite.
There will be only one set of inputs and no volume control unless we decide
to offer as an option. There will be no feedback switch, but the feedback
will still be able to be changed by changing input tubes. This removes a
switch from the signal path and thus offers a more purist approach. The
input tubes are 12AX7s, changeable to 12AT or AU7; and the drivers are
12AT7s, changeable to 12AU7s for lower feedback. Auto bias takes care of all
the biasing for the different setups.
David
just as i mentioned in my wanted ad , there is a zh230 ampcoming from david berning.
i just received an email from david with the following information:
perhaps you will let go of your zh270 so i can buy it???
Malcolm,
There is a ZH 230 coming. It will use the same output tubes as the Quad Z
amps, the 33JV6. It will also feature a low-loss ceramic circuit board like
the Quad Z and a Power factor corrected power supply like the Quad Z. Even
though the power will be lower than the ZH270 at 30 watts, it will have to
cost more that the ZH270; probably around $7500 because of all the premiums.
The chassis will also be nicer than the ZH270, and will include the
Stillpoint feet. The bias will be set hotter than the ZH270, something that
the lower power allows us to do. This means a more effortless sound than the
ZH270. The premium circuit board improves presense and resolution without
making it sound brite.
There will be only one set of inputs and no volume control unless we decide
to offer as an option. There will be no feedback switch, but the feedback
will still be able to be changed by changing input tubes. This removes a
switch from the signal path and thus offers a more purist approach. The
input tubes are 12AX7s, changeable to 12AT or AU7; and the drivers are
12AT7s, changeable to 12AU7s for lower feedback. Auto bias takes care of all
the biasing for the different setups.
David
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That's more than I thought it/they was/were going to be- plus of course shipping and VAT. Perhaps some people will be tempted, but I'll stay with the ZH270 for now.
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The ZH270 is a wonderful thing. I've never even thought about another amp since getting mine, and I've kept it far longer than I have ever kept any other bit of kit. And for a restless box-swapping tart like me, this is really saying something.
That 230 does sound tempting, but at $7.5k, its going to be about £7k sterling by the time duty etc has been paid....that would need to be a few years down the line I reckon - unless you'd like to give me £6k for mine singer?!?
That 230 does sound tempting, but at $7.5k, its going to be about £7k sterling by the time duty etc has been paid....that would need to be a few years down the line I reckon - unless you'd like to give me £6k for mine singer?!?
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Singer
Theres's on in Spain listed on Audiogon
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstube&1244330820&/Berning-ZH-270-(pending)
Theres's on in Spain listed on Audiogon
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstube&1244330820&/Berning-ZH-270-(pending)
I have the first prototype. I have been able to directly A/B to a ZH270, 300B Siegfried, and 811/10 Siegfried. After being able to spend a requisite amount of time comparing the 230 and 270, I feel the 270 sounded 'grainy' in comparison, a characteristic I would never have previously associated with the 270. In a friend's system (300B Siegfried) it was very competitive with the Siegfried. The 230 I have is a single chassis so I am not sure that the production unit(s) will be a monoblock configuration as your post suggests. I tried unsuccessfully to attach a photo. My proto has a EA230 faceplate; I have no idea what the production cosmetics will be.
John
berning zh 230 proto
Hi John
thanks for the information.
may i ask what speakers you drive with the zh230 ?
how would you compare the power between the zh270 and the zh230 ?
is it very noticeable that the zh230 has only about half the power ?
could you elaborate a bit more how it compares to the siegfried ?
i have read that it is advised not to but the zh270 close to metal .
could someone shed some light on that statement ?
would this also apply to the zh230 ?
thanks
Hi John
thanks for the information.
may i ask what speakers you drive with the zh230 ?
how would you compare the power between the zh270 and the zh230 ?
is it very noticeable that the zh230 has only about half the power ?
could you elaborate a bit more how it compares to the siegfried ?
i have read that it is advised not to but the zh270 close to metal .
could someone shed some light on that statement ?
would this also apply to the zh230 ?
thanks
* Speakers are Sentient Acoustics(no model), 2-way floor standing 90db effiicient. (When I figure out how, I will post some pictures. I have tried a couple of times unsuccessfully and have not received a reply from the admins about the issue. I may just put the pics on my web page and supply a link.)
* The 230 is more open sounding and less grainy than the 270. It does not lack authority, punch, dynamics, or speed compared to the 270 or the Siegfried. If the rest of your system is up to it, it can be very revealing of different cabling(power and signal) and will expose areas of deficiency and coloration in other parts of the system. It is a little maddening in that respect because you may have previously not heard a particular deficiency/coloration and it can prove very frustrating trying to identify root cause. I have been doing a lot of experimenting with cabling, both power and signal, due to my system's resolving capabilities now. My system is FAST, but not bright/etched. It gets out of the way and music just happens. I lose sense that I am listening to a system.
* The 230 has no feedback switch in the signal path. Driver and input tube substitution allow for 6 variations of feedback and output impedence, versus 3 for the 270, permitting better matching of critical speaker damping.
* I am a huge believer in isolation; my whole system is isolated on Stillpoints products. Their newest product, a PCB standoff, is installed in my 230. The Stillpoint's standoff are the same in appearance and size as a regular standoff. Stillpoints current technology is miniaturized to fit inside the standoff. They make a significant improvement in articulation of a system's sound just as do the Stillpoints, component stands, and ESS rack. I have heard this to good effect in 2 different TF-12 preamps and in the 2 Siegfried amps I wrote about. You can contact the authorized US installer of the Stillpoint standoff for information at:
Kosiba Audio Technologies
Kris Kosiba
5854W 300N
Rensselaer, IN 47978
[email protected]
John
Not sure of the genesis of this statement, but I have not had any trouble, nor am I aware of, any issue putting the 230 or other Berning product(s) close to metal.
John
bottleneck
talks a load of rubbish
Kris
The easiest way is to use a photo site such as photobucket.
If you click 'go advanced' you can then put a link to a photograph you have stored up.
If you want ZG to store a photo directly, it's size in cm and size in MB all need to be the pre-requisite small amount for the site to take it. For this reason I'd suggest photobucket or some other free photo hosting site instead.
All the best,
look forward to seeing your kit.
Cheers
chris
The easiest way is to use a photo site such as photobucket.
If you click 'go advanced' you can then put a link to a photograph you have stored up.
If you want ZG to store a photo directly, it's size in cm and size in MB all need to be the pre-requisite small amount for the site to take it. For this reason I'd suggest photobucket or some other free photo hosting site instead.
All the best,
look forward to seeing your kit.
Cheers
chris
bottleneck
talks a load of rubbish
Looks great John. Surely an interesting system to hear.
Thanks for putting the photos up
Thanks for putting the photos up
Yeah I also wish you good luck singer. Since I got my ZH270, I no longer even think about hifi when listening to music, as I just become so totally immersed in the sound. I never had that before.
Now totally intrigued with the ZH230. Will have to wait for things to turn around, but defo on the list for a listen in the future.
James
Now totally intrigued with the ZH230. Will have to wait for things to turn around, but defo on the list for a listen in the future.
James
I can say the same for my ZH230. My system just gets out of the way and music is in the room. It's a strange sensation to look at the equipment while an album is playing and not be aware that any of it is contributing to the sound in the room.
John
