Crap songs that warrant the death penalty for the perpetrator.

Samantha said:
Wow - how on earth did you come up with this sweeping generalisation.

Wrong in some part at least for most of those people I have met from here (from what I know of them).
My background is certainly not middle class, nor 'a good suburb' and as for the misfit - bit like a horoscope reading that one, everyone can think of times they have felt a little that way, but doesn't mean it is a label that actually fits.
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That is just me but if you could plot a graph there is a direct link. I would have to actually collect statistics though and I have better things to do. Ihad an asian friend who was a big fan of the Smiths, he was a very middle class public school boy though!

The Smiths were classed as alternative for a good reason. Being a misfit is a complicated issue in itself. I would be quite confident in saying that there is a higher pecentage of Smiths and Oasis fans in Manchester than any other city in the world.

PS why does nobody ever admit to being from a middle class background?
 
Early Def Leppard was proper British rock.. Sadly, they became too tainted by the transatlantic influence where what you look like is more imnportant than the sound you make.

Queen produced music of wildy varying quality and value in my opinion. Its always difficult to be objective about pop. A track like 'Flash' is a well-structured and interesting ditty but you wouldn't want to recite the lyrics at a poetry competition! I suspect Freddy Mercury's interest in opera added the value to much of the output. This ironically could be the very reason some hate it of course!

As for assessing the value of music according to its class origin, there will no doubt be some who want to associate themselves with certain genres because it adds something to their lives whilst others genuinely feel the connection. I've never had any of those feelings, I just liked the Smiths at the time (talking mid '80s output - no good just being miserable for the sake of it now Morrisey).

Anyway, I have no expenses to claim so must get on with some work!
 
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lAmBoY said:
Good to know you liked me before I was outed as a queen hater, not that I actually hate queens cos I dont....anyways where was I.....as an early Metallica fan, Queen and DL just shouted 'conformity' during my reckless youth. ipso facto I hate them and still do. Actually come to think of it I hate Elton John a lot more.
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Queen's OK, but I like DL.
 
I've got two expensives to claim, two cars bought in the same tax year :rolleyes: I've drank so much coca-cola today I have enough empty cars to make an Arial Atom out of.

This reminds me of another song which deserves the death "I want to teach the world to sing and drink a coca-cola" or something like that.
 
Leona Lewis surely. FecksFactor junk. Anything she sings really.
Mariah Carey's protege.

Ohh yes and that other woman that murdered the Classic Jeff Buckley cover of Hallelujah, "I've heard there was a secret chord..." - keep looking love.

Nearly sold my car. Glad I kept her. Sniff. New tyres all round tomorrow!
 
amazingtrade said:
PS why does nobody ever admit to being from a middle class background?
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Dunno. My dad worked on the docks, then in a factory when the docks closed. But in a dim light I could pass for middle class, and my children are dead posh.
 
SMEagol four new tyres now thats a way to get a new grip on life may be help you find the lost chord. May be even listen to
Leona. Could even flog your car bye more music. NoelW
 
amazingtrade said:
That is just me but if you could plot a graph there is a direct link. I would have to actually collect statistics though and I have better things to do.

PS why does nobody ever admit to being from a middle class background?
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How could you know there is a direct link unless you have the facts?

How many people are registered on here?

Or how many regular users?

Now do you honestly presume that the majority fit into your 'white, middle class but poor' background?

I would assume there are people from many assorted backgrounds. I have certainly not seen any evidence which suggests that this is a hobby which especially attracts those that come from 'white middle class but poor' backgrounds.

I would however guess that perhaps you simply presume that everyone is the same as you class yourself. It makes discussion simple if you do assume people think the same way etc and respond the same way - but this isn't actually the case.

As for your PS - I would if I was, perhaps people don't 'admit it' because fewer do than you presume.

As for Queen, Def Leppard, Metallica ...... I won stuff from all, and enjoy all and have seen all live - I would argue that Queen was a lot less formulaic than Metallica actually. Certainly Metallica became very much mainstream fodder, Queen were on the fringes for many years and doing stuff that really went against industry norms.
 
I consider that what sets Metallica apart form so many other bands is their musical talent - they are (were) so tight, disciplined. You see this now in Muse and I suggest the structure of an average Metallica track (= the formula) is in movements, akin to what many commonly term 'classical' music. This is what set Bohemian Rhapsody apart at the time (that and its length of course).
 
Yup I'd have to agree, I saw Metallica on Jools Holland, and although they aren't my cup of Earl Grey I thought the playing very was tight and technically adept, that did impress me, as did the obvious enjoyment of the band members. Nice to see after all those Spinal Tap style arguments and psychotherapy they have been through to stay together.


I'd rather see them than Leona Lewis, Noel. :D

as for flogging Ingrid (my car) I'd rather be flogged myself. (...Country people, Country ways.)
 
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CRAP ATTACK ! :D

HIGH COURT
(The Five Judges)
(Judge T., Judge B., Judge S., Judge M. and Judge K.)



Appendix to VERDICT

ââ'¬Å"A music nothing called the Beatlesââ'¬Â


There is much more that can be considered and that can be revealed about the worst musicians on Earth, if musicians at all, namely: The Beatles.
Such bad musicians that George Martin had to pay a session drummer to record "Love me do", because Ringo was unable to play the elementary drumming of the song. Such an elementary drumming that even a beginner could play, but not Ringoââ'¬Â¦.
Such bad musicians that they had to ask another two-finger bad guitar player called Eric Clapton to do solos on their songs because George Harrison could not produce reasonable guitar string vibratoââ'¬Â¦
Such bad musicians, if musicians at all, that at the studio they had to record their elementary songs over and over again about a thousand times because every take was full of blunders. In fact, on the Beatles' "white album" we hear John Lennon screaming "àgot blisters on my fingers!!", due to the many million times he had to repeat the thing at the studioââ'¬Â¦.
Such bad musicians that they used the same chord sequence in about 70% of their songs, (I-VI-V-minor relative and their permutations) meaning that they only composed one song and repeated it in different rhythms, Keys and permutations throughout 70% of their repertoire, only changing melody and lyricsââ'¬Â¦.
Such bad musicians that at the Cavern, a few years back, McCartney had to start the elementary "I saw her standing there" four times because every time he got in he did it out of time. Ironically, the session musicians he played with that night started the song ok, but McCartney could notââ'¬Â¦.

The Beatles were such mediocre composers that they stole other people's songs and made it their own, sometimes only changing title and lyrics. Other times they would play other people's songs backwards and steal the melodies and harmonies thus being produced. They've been listening to other people's songs played backwards since 1967. Since then, 40% of their "compositions" have been stolen from backward-played songs. This trick was also used by "Oasis". They very well knew about this fraud of the Beatlesââ'¬Â¦.
George Harrison was taken to court by the "Chiffons" because of stealing one of their songs and calling it "My sweet lord".
The Beatles stole Trini Lopez's "Bamba" and called it "Twist and shouts", pretending it was their own.
The Beatles stole one of the "Salvation Army" songs' and called it "Strawberry fields forever".
The Beatles stole the end of the second part in "A day in the life" from "Hush".
John Lennon stole a part of "Jealous guy" (..I began to lose controlââ'¬Â¦) from "She's a rainbow".
John Lennon stole the guitar pattern of "Dear Prudence" from the guitar pattern of "Something in the air".
Paul Mc Cartney stole the bass line of "Susie Q" and used it in "Taxman" and did it again in "Rain". Stole the bass pattern of "Let's spend the night together" and used it in "Get Back" and in "I've got a feeling". Stole the bass line of "My girl" and used it in "Two of us", and so on, and on, and on, and onââ'¬Â¦..
They even stole songs from their own songs. John Lennon stole the chord pattern of "You've got to hide your love away" from "I'm a loser". Stole the guitar pattern of "Dig a Pony" from the pattern in "Two of us". Stole "Merry go 'round" from "Flying". Stole the beginning of "Rocky racoon" from the beginning of "I'm a loser".
George Harrison stole the chords in "Isn't it a pity" from the beginning of "Eight days a week". Stole the first bit of "Fixing a hole" from "Michelle". And so on, and on, and on, and on, and many more ââ'¬Å"onsââ'¬Âââ'¬Â¦

The Beatles were very poor singers, if singers at all. They had no voice for singing. Their voice was very thin and nasal, with no depth, no body and with no vibrato. All they could do was shout. In fact, their lack of voice forced them to shout. The Beatles did not sing, they shouted. They should have left singing to Tom Jones, Humperdink, Joan Baez, and so onââ'¬Â¦the poorest voices in the Beatles were Harrison's and Lennon's. Harrison did not have voice at all, not for even shouting. Lennon's voice was so nasal, that he always did the backing lower voice and when he did not then he shouted. He had a crow's tone. The Beatles had to always use special microphones to add depth to their skinny and nasal voice, and after that, they spent hours at the recording studio embellishing and concealing their nasality with equalizers and effects, that is HOURSââ'¬Â¦. the Beatles were not singersââ'¬Â¦the Beatles were SHOUTERSââ'¬Â¦

Being homosexual Brian Epstein the forger of the Beatles project, Epstein instructed the Beatles to let their hair grow, (so as to appeal to repressed homosexuality in people). Epstein noticed what the effeminate face of Elvis Presley did on people and the fame he gained because of it, so he played the same card. The Beatles boom was not due to their music, but to their appeal to repressed homosexuality (as well as to having been the first internationally promoted electric guitar rock band). The Beatles opened the homosexual Aquarius era which is ruled by Uranus, the planet of homosexualityââ'¬Â¦Musically they were so bad that the A&R of the Decca record firm laughed in the face of Brian Epstein when he listened to the recordings of the Beatles, and he told Epstein that they sounded like tin and that he was not interested. George Martin told Epstein, when he listened to the recordings of the Beatles: "Mr. Epstein, you better go back with your boys to Liverpool", because of how bad the musical quality of the group was.... it was with the idea of the long hair (that would appeal to repressed homosexuality in people) that Brian Epstein was able to convince George Martin.....

They were possibly the ugliest faces ever seen on stage. George Harrison's face looked like Frankenstein, John Lennon's face looked like a witch. (They really needed long hair to hide their ugly faces) Paul McCartney had such an effeminate face (as well as a pig's face) that he always played the Miss Beatle role, with very fragile and womanish manners (Close friend of homosexual Mick Jagger). (We will not go into the details of the secret night between Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger at Brian Epstein's house of 13 Chapel St. London SW1, the night that Paul McCartney twisted his ankle on the stairs) This is the reason why John Lennon teamed with him to form the band. He knew he needed an effeminate face as that of Presley in the band and he knew that because of his ugliness he couldn't have been the one, so he called McCartneyââ'¬Â¦

The Beatles degraded the standard of music so much that they made stardom accessible to every music beginner. Thanks to the Beatles we see non-musicians and bad musicians on stage. Thanks to the Beatles we have the audience on stage. Thanks to the Beatles anybody is a star, WHOEVER. Thanks to the Beatles we have sound pollution, known by the drugged minds as "rock music". Thanks to the Beatles people do not appreciate the work of quality musicians anymore. Of course the Beatles promoted drugs, so that because of drugs their elementary noise would be perceived as "music" through the handicapped state of appreciation of the idiotic limbo of slowed down mental processes. Thanks to the Beatles we see idiotic music beginners on the "greatness delirium" of a paranoid mental frame induced by drugsââ'¬Â¦Hebephrenic, Paranoid and Catatonic schizophrenics have become "stars". The stage has become a mental asylum, thanks to the Beatlesââ'¬Â¦

Thanks to the Beatles and the electric guitar with distortion where any note you play would just fit because differences are not that noticeable, we have the audience on stage. You just press any string on any fret, whereverââ'¬Â¦it will doââ'¬Â¦. No one will notice a thing. Any noise will doââ'¬Â¦. In tune or out of tune, in the scale or out of it, who cares?ââ'¬Â¦the distorted electric guitar will conceal anything...You don't need the slightest knowledge of music, just learn a couple of easy chords and use a couple of fingers in changing strings according to some easy patterns and that's it. After that you buy yourself an electric guitar with a distortion pedal, and you are a starââ'¬Â¦. Music? ââ'¬Â¦. What's that?ââ'¬Â¦ Music? ââ'¬Â¦WHO CARES?ââ'¬Â¦
Since the electric guitar was invented anybody is a guitaristââ'¬Â¦WHOEVERââ'¬Â¦With such sensitive strings that even the wind can play just by blowing on it, also due to amplification, anybody can prostitute musicââ'¬Â¦whoeverââ'¬Â¦. you just press the strings with the fingers of one hand and it soundsââ'¬Â¦.you can use the other hand to make a phone call at the same timeââ'¬Â¦.Even the cat can produce sounds on the electric guitar by walking on the stringsââ'¬Â¦EVEN YOUR CAT COULD BE A STAR!!!!ââ'¬Â¦
You don't need to practice to play an electric guitarââ'¬Â¦it sounds on it's ownââ'¬Â¦.

Thanks to the electric guitar, bad or non-guitarists that play with only two or three fingers such as Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page, Peter Townsend, Keith Richards, John Lennon, George Harrison, Sting, Noel Gallagher, Paul McCartney, Hank Marvin, Steve Winwood, Santana (the assassin of Jacos Pastorius), David Gilmour, Hilton Valentine, BB King, Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix (he was nothing special as a guitarist, but nobody did ever produce such amazing sounds on an electric guitar. He was not a guitarist. He was a sound architect) and so on, and on, and on, have polluted music, but when you give them an acoustic guitar they can hardly do muchââ'¬Â¦strum it at the mostââ'¬Â¦
As a matter of fact, with the exception of "Yes" (a "bravissimo" exception) and "Emerson, Lake and Palmer" (another "bravissimo" exception), you can throw all the remaining famous "rock bands" into a dustbinââ'¬Â¦. THE LOTââ'¬Â¦sixty or seventy years of noise making bad musicians or non-musicians into a dustbinââ'¬Â¦. together with electric guitars, drugs, "greatness delirium" and allââ'¬Â¦.

The same applies to synthesizers, samplers and all type of electronic keyboards with sequencers and any kind of electronic trick that allow bad or non-keyboard players to pollute the stageââ'¬Â¦. Just by pressing a key on these gadgets you hear fat symphonic sounds that resemble the body of a full orchestra, psychedelic ensembles for the drugged minds and so on, that sound as if the performer was using all the fingers of both hands to play it, but when you look at the fingers of the players, they are only pressing two or three keys, that is, they are only using two or three fingers on the keyboard, and sometimes the left hand is not even being used, and when it is used, only another couple of fingers come into playââ'¬Â¦..Once again, these gadgets place the audience on stage and allow UNTALENTED idiots to become "stars"ââ'¬Â¦.

As another aspect of the music degeneration and quality standard lowering brought about by the Beatles, we see untalented female "singers" with no voice making it big by showing tits and ass on the stage, or by using pornographic gestures, or by insinuating sex in one way or another. If they want to show their tits and asses they should be on pornographic magazines or videos and leave the stage to talented female singers such as the Queens Janis Joplin, Joan Baez, Aretha Franklin, Ella Fitzgerald, Diane Ross, and so onââ'¬Â¦. Just recently, one of these idiotic untalented female "singers" was seen on an American TV show performing side by side with Aretha Franklin, attempting to copy what the great Aretha was doingââ'¬Â¦We still wonder how Aretha permitted itââ'¬Â¦The only way these untalented female "singers" can get on top of the stage is by going to bed with the managers or producersââ'¬Â¦
And now, a list of untalented female "singers": Madonna, Jennifer Lopez, Shakira, Britney Spears, Hilary Duff, Mariah Carey, Ricky Martin, Santana (Maria), etc., etc.ââ'¬Â¦once again, the audience on stageââ'¬Â¦.also, Madonna is another main puppet of the Devil to destroy mankind. All her Satanism sexually caressing a black crucifix, as seen on video, wearing crucifixes as earrings, and her diabolical sexual attitude towards religious matters reveal the dark powers behind her. It is interesting to observe that her name means "Mother Mary", being this another blasphemy of the Devil. She is responsible for the Satanism in the female "singers" that followed her and takes part in the decomposition of the newer generations.

And finally let's talk about the "Harmonizer", the gadget that allows non-singers and crap singers to "sing". Unfortunately for the Beatles, the thing was not invented at the time they were polluting the stage, otherwise they would have been taken for singers. You sing out of tune and the Harmonizer corrects your voiceââ'¬Â¦. Every note you sing that is out of pitch is taken to perfect pitch by the artefactââ'¬Â¦. You have the tone of a parrot?ââ'¬Â¦don't worryââ'¬Â¦with the Harmonizer you will sound like Caruso. It changes your voice to sound like the voice of any known voice virtuoso, and you can even choose which singer you want to sound like!!!ââ'¬Â¦Is that note too high for you?ââ'¬Â¦you'll reach it with the Harmonizerââ'¬Â¦. it will create it from one of your lower notes!!!ââ'¬Â¦. The gadget is incorporated in some of the "karaoke" devices used by the audience on stageââ'¬Â¦. you just BARK into the microphone and you'll sound as sweet as the nightingaleââ'¬Â¦

All of this thanks to the Beatles and their counterpart the Rolling Stones (with the exception of extraterrestrial Brian Jones, the real father of the Sixties) that opened the door for the audience to get on top of the stageââ'¬Â¦

You have been informedââ'¬Â¦.

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I have several Metallica albums and do like them - and have seen them live twice...... twas just a surprise that someone cited them as being good while stating Queen as formulaic. Hence my expressing that IMO they are more formulaic than Queen were. And if comparing on grounds of live performances, I think messers Mercury/May/Taylor/Deacon would have that contest well and truely sewn up.

As for Spinal Tap moments though ....... I recently saw an episode of the US TV show "Bones" in which a nightclub had a live band ...... Motley Crue - lol - sadly not complete with rotating drum kit, but still.
 
spica said:
CRAP ATTACK ! :D

HIGH COURT
(The Five Judges)
(Judge T., Judge B., Judge S., Judge M. and Judge K.)



Appendix to VERDICT

ââ'¬Å"A music nothing called the Beatlesââ'¬Â



The Beatles were such mediocre composers that they stole other people's songs and made it their own, sometimes only changing title and lyrics. Other times they would play other people's songs backwards and steal the melodies and harmonies thus being produced. They've been listening to other people's songs played backwards since 1967. Since then, 40% of their "compositions" have been stolen from backward-played songs. This trick was also used by "Oasis". They very well knew about this fraud of the Beatlesââ'¬Â¦.
George Harrison was taken to court by the "Chiffons" because of stealing one of their songs and calling it "My sweet lord".
The Beatles stole Trini Lopez's "Bamba" and called it "Twist and shouts", pretending it was their own.
The Beatles stole one of the "Salvation Army" songs' and called it "Strawberry fields forever".
The Beatles stole the end of the second part in "A day in the life" from "Hush".
John Lennon stole a part of "Jealous guy" (..I began to lose controlââ'¬Â¦) from "She's a rainbow".
John Lennon stole the guitar pattern of "Dear Prudence" from the guitar pattern of "Something in the air".
Paul Mc Cartney stole the bass line of "Susie Q" and used it in "Taxman" and did it again in "Rain". Stole the bass pattern of "Let's spend the night together" and used it in "Get Back" and in "I've got a feeling". Stole the bass line of "My girl" and used it in "Two of us", and so on, and on, and on, and onââ'¬Â¦..
They even stole songs from their own songs. John Lennon stole the chord pattern of "You've got to hide your love away" from "I'm a loser". Stole the guitar pattern of "Dig a Pony" from the pattern in "Two of us". Stole "Merry go 'round" from "Flying". Stole the beginning of "Rocky racoon" from the beginning of "I'm a loser".
George Harrison stole the chords in "Isn't it a pity" from the beginning of "Eight days a week". Stole the first bit of "Fixing a hole" from "Michelle". And so on, and on, and on, and on, and many more ââ'¬Å"onsââ'¬Âââ'¬Â¦


Actually, 'Twist and Shout' was written by the Isley Brothers. Though I suspect the arrangement of The Beatles version was borrowed as you state.

I do agree about The Beatles being nowhere near as talented as commonly supposed, also about Oasis directly plagiarising both them and The Kinks

Actually, I think The Kinks, Ray Davies, and Dave Davies are vastly underrated, and their influence isn't as widely appreciated as it should be. But that is for a different discussion thread
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