Getting young people into decent music reproduction

Hi Michael!

We met once , don't know if you remember :)

I was going to type more, but it's just good to see an old familar face. Welcome back home :D
Yes, I remember :) Congrats on becoming the member with the highest post count, I can't believe it took that long for someone to overtake me, I've been away for at least 2-3 years :eek:
 
TBH I don't think the problem is just with young people. My own situation is a good example. I'm 41, not young (but not old either :p), but my interest in 'serious' Hifi has all but disappeared. About 5-6 years ago I had a system that was worth getting on for €5K and hifi was a hobby that consumed a lot of my time and a lot of my money, hey, I even started this forum!

However, for a number of reasons, I started to get very disillusioned with hifi and everything that goes with it. It started with the realization that the hifi cable industry is little more than a scam but I gradually realised that there really is very little audible difference between amplifiers and CD players, regardless of whether they cost €200 or €20,000. It's my view (and my experience) that the differences between loudspeakers, rooms and even listening positions totally overwhelm any other slight differences that might exist in the rest of the chain to the point of making them insignificant.

When I walk past hifi shops these days and see the four figure price tags on the equipment in the window I can't help but have a little chuckle at the 'mugs' who buy that kind of gear, remembering that I was once one of them. The hifi industry has a lot in common with the expensive watch industry, but at least the people who buy a €5,000 watch know that it doesn't tell the time any better than a €90 Swatch. They buy it for the looks or as a status symbol and at least everyone can see it when they wear it. Unfortunately most people who buy hifi systems costing thousands do so in the real (but misguided) belief that they are getting their money's worth in improved sound quality. You only need to look at the (often much lower) cost of professional studio gear to realise that it's all just a con. Hifi must be one of the only industries in the world where professional kit costs a fraction of what a lot of 'amateur' kit costs.

Apart from the many good reasons already mentioned in this thread, I think that 'young people' can see through the con that is the general hifi industry, and are just not buying it. Even most 'middle aged' people these days have an all-in-one DVD/CD/MP3 system which will give them excellent sound quality, for the very rare occasions when they have the time to sit down and just listen to music, where that quality makes a difference.

I myself have a Harman Kardon HS200 2.1 DVD/CD/MP3 all in one system, which I've had for nearly 4 years and I can tell you it sounds stunning. I know many people will be sceptical or think that perhaps my problem is that I became deaf, but I can promise you, if I put you blindfold in front of this system you'd think you were listening to an expensive 'proper' hifi setup.

My main listening these days is on my iPhone at work with some Sony MDR-EX70 buds (excellent) and at home the HS200 takes digital input from my iMac/iTunes via an Apple TV box. Occasionally I'll actually put on a real physical CD :) . I still enjoy music just as much as ever, actually probably even more so. It's just so liberating not to have to be thinking about the kit.

As to where the hifi industry needs to go I tend to agre with Labarum's posts about active speakers for the home.

Michael.

PS: Hello again to those who remember me :MILD:

The voice of reason.

I know a few ZGers (including yours truly) with similar views to yours Michael, and this is one of the reasons they no longer post on HiFi forums (not just here). They are content with just listening to music, whether it's on an all in one box or expensive separates, just seems irrelevant. Even at bake-offs or HiFi shows the hardware seems to take a backseat to the joy of meeting old friends or listening to new music.
 
The voice of reason.

I know a few ZGers (including yours truly) with similar views to yours Michael, and this is one of the reasons they no longer post on HiFi forums (not just here). They are content with just listening to music, whether it's on an all in one box or expensive separates, just seems irrelevant. Even at bake-offs or HiFi shows the hardware seems to take a backseat to the joy of meeting old friends or listening to new music.

When you've been jogging around the block day after day looking at the same old view it starts to become more than a little tedious after a while.
You can either substitute something for the jogging or move and do something entirely different and more rewarding.

I agree Dev that many have, including yours truly in sort of semi-forum retirement, moved on to other things.

The social part is all important IMO because lets's face it, at the end of the day, audio forums are just a bunch of mostly friendly *nerds and anoraks examining their navels :)


* - Not meant to be derogatory in any way - I like friendly nerds :D
 
yes dev, sorry as you know there can be a but,, when can you all make it here?
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Kid's don't listen to music any more, it's just background noise to them they can't just listen to the music.
 
it's sad, the problem also is that the music made now days is more techno and does not need a what we call any form of two channel audio "hi-fi" for the young to be bothered about investing on, downloads, and as you say mobile phones music that or so called is cheaper for them, like i said sad,
nando.
 
it's sad, the problem also is that the music made now days is more techno and does not need a what we call any form of two channel audio "hi-fi" for the young to be bothered about investing on, downloads, and as you say mobile phones music that or so called is cheaper for them, like i said sad,
nando.

No it isn't.
When I was a young teenager(1970's) we didn't even have much FM never mind FM stereo-the commercial stations were starting .Radio1 top 40 Sunday night-other than that would be Radio1 am/luxembourg.
The quality available now is far far higher from an iPod than the average Walkman of the 80's. They are already getting relatively hi fi reproduction. The challenge is to get them onto the next rung (which incidentally only happens to most in their 20's). The hifi foo has fooked it imo with so many things needed/recommended to 'improve' the sound.All this bollocks paradoxically makes it look harder not easier to gain real improvements so they settle where they are /can't be arsed with all that.
 

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