John Paul ... The Great ????

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    Uncle Ants In Recordeo Speramus

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    listening to Radio 4 this morning on the way into work. Some bkloke wiffling about the Pope kept referring to him as John Paul The Great. What's that all about then?
     
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    julian2002 Muper Soderator

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    oh dead, is he up doe dianaization then?
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    well, basically - he' is john paul the second, but they decided to call him john paul the great...

    I'm not religious at all, so I'm not going to comment.
     
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    The great what?
     
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    can you get canonized for 'services to the promotion of AIDs in the third world by refusing to accept the use of condoms' ? what wd he be called - St Slim? if this was a progressive Pope then Gawd knows what a conservative one would be like
     
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    Hmm? but who decided. I know there have been the likes of Pope Gregory the great and kings and queens like Frederick the Great or Catherine the Great, but I'm preety sure that was by consensus several years or probably even decades after their death. It just strikes me as particularly bizarre, especially seeing as there doesn't seem to be that much great about him.
     
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    I haven't a clue who decided - it was on the news the other day...wouldn't surprise me if it was the media cirus! ;)
     
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    As soon as he's dead, and the media turns up, all the world leaders arrive to say how 'great' he was. Even dear old George Bush & family turned up, no doubt supporting the Pope's anti-abortion line, not so keen on his anti war stance though. I'm just glad Tony Blair didn't give another 'Diana' speech for the Pope with tears in his eyes.....
     
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    Love GWB's words to the American public following JPII's death: 'The Pope was a very religious man ...'
     
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    This adulation of the Pope is getting a bit sick really. With his hard line on the use of condoms he arguably did more to create and maintain the AIDS epidemic in Africa than any other factor and is therefore indirectly responsible for thousands, if not millions, of deaths. Great man indeed :rolleyes:

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    hey joe, one of dubya's best quotes is...

    more and more of our imports are coming from overseas :D
     
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    This is a grotesque exaggeration to say the very least. The Pope simply does not have that much influence in peoples day-to-day affairs, and in any case an awful lot of Africans are *not* Roman Catholic.
    Thabo Mbeki has had far more impact on AIDS in Africa than JPII(G), anyway.
    While I don't agree with the Pope's position on this issue, I can see where he was coming from. For the West, a modern form of eugenics (in the form of abortion and birth control) is much easier and cheaper than dealing with fundamental problems of endemic poverty and the unfair relationship we have with Africa.
     
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    John Paul the Grate?
     
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    I was going to say the greatful dead - but thats in extremely bad taste... :rolleyes:
     
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    Some how I find myself unable to feel sorry for people if they did become ill simply because they rather listen the advise of a priest then health professionals. If you really wish to blame something them it should be the internal/external political or economical systems that some how suppress the majority of the vast population in that part of the world in pitifully poor standard of education and wealth.
     
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    surely its the people's fault if they have 14 kids, the catholic church teaches you to either withdraw I believe, or do it around the woman's natural cycle, so there is little chance of conception??
     
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    data,
    rhythm is for dancing not fcuking.
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    An old joke in the medical profession is that the technical term for people who practise the rhythm method is "parents".
     
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    Hi Ian(Data),

    These are very poor methods of contraception. They have very high failure rates. I have to agree with Julian on this one.

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    mick parry stroppy old git

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    Chaps

    To blame the Pope for the spread of Aids is ludicrous.

    The best way not to catch Aids is to exercise self control. If you don't indulge, you are safe.

    I know that, you know that and in fact everyone knows it, so it is purely down to the individual.

    Regards

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