greg
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So would you agree he made the decision? As opposed to Mike's suggestion that Renault's committment coupled with a lack of alternative forced his hand.Ian Wright said:
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"I'm simply referring to Pat Symond's debriefing, quoting their (RF1's) simulation software."
Up until the end of 2005 they were well behind on their approach to strategy. And in the timeframe since I doubt they have developed that capability and so his statement is just a load of waffle.
If they had developed the level of simulation that I have suggested then it wouldn't tell you somethign like that. It would give you a probability for ALO to win etc.
I haven't looked in any detail but can say that it would have been close but I still think MSC was more likely to win based on laptimes when both cars were in free air in the race, and pushing, which MSC didn't when he knew he had won.
"Let's not get bogged down with the fact the car blew a piston."
And they have had an engine blow at the Jerez test. Very surprising given their car has had astounding reliability this year. And is key to them having led the championship almost all season.
Ian
Up until the end of 2005 they were well behind on their approach to strategy. And in the timeframe since I doubt they have developed that capability and so his statement is just a load of waffle.
If they had developed the level of simulation that I have suggested then it wouldn't tell you somethign like that. It would give you a probability for ALO to win etc.
I haven't looked in any detail but can say that it would have been close but I still think MSC was more likely to win based on laptimes when both cars were in free air in the race, and pushing, which MSC didn't when he knew he had won.
"Let's not get bogged down with the fact the car blew a piston."
And they have had an engine blow at the Jerez test. Very surprising given their car has had astounding reliability this year. And is key to them having led the championship almost all season.
Ian
"So would you agree he made the decision? As opposed to Mike's suggestion that Renault's committment coupled with a lack of alternative forced his hand."
I would hope that he and his management team made the decision on the best information available at the time. As to whether he actually did I have no idea.
I would hope that he and his management team made the decision on the best information available at the time. As to whether he actually did I have no idea.
greg
Its a G thing
The prediction was based on the heavy fuel load they chose to run with coupled with the stops times of the opposition which would have placed him in front on the returns to track due to fewer stops. This isn't exactly heavyweight modelling as far as I can see.Ian Wright said:
"The prediction was based on the heavy fuel load they chose to run with coupled with the stops times of the opposition which would have placed him in front on the returns to track due to fewer stops. This isn't exactly heavyweight modelling as far as I can see."
Unfortunately it isn't that simple. Post race sims are difficult as you alter the outcome of events and so your static data is no longer valid. Traffic is vital in all of this. The effect that ALO then has on the pace of the drivers around him also matters. The further you go from the reality the more difficult it becomes.
The fact that ALO just wasn't fast enough in free air in stint 2 suggests to me that he couldn't have got close enough to make the extra laps stick.
But as I stated it needs to be assessed with some good post race modelling tools as opposed to some simple linear models which will only serve to confuse as they have made far too many invalid assumptions.
Ian
Unfortunately it isn't that simple. Post race sims are difficult as you alter the outcome of events and so your static data is no longer valid. Traffic is vital in all of this. The effect that ALO then has on the pace of the drivers around him also matters. The further you go from the reality the more difficult it becomes.
The fact that ALO just wasn't fast enough in free air in stint 2 suggests to me that he couldn't have got close enough to make the extra laps stick.
But as I stated it needs to be assessed with some good post race modelling tools as opposed to some simple linear models which will only serve to confuse as they have made far too many invalid assumptions.
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Sooner than I expected but both Kimi's manager and Jean Todt confirmed in Autosport that the Kimi deal was done over a year ago - although both sides were sworn to secrecy.
More interesting was the rather subdued tone in which MSC's retirement was reported - again highlighting his flaws rather than comparing him with the greats of the past.
lhatkins
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Looking forward already to next season, really should be a good one, at the very least it should be a good clean fight for the flag, unlike the previous 10+ years ! 
I hope MSC enjoys his retirement, well earned (if not deserved).
Also hopefully not everything will go Ferarri's way, be less biased.
I hope MSC enjoys his retirement, well earned (if not deserved).
Also hopefully not everything will go Ferarri's way, be less biased.
"Looking forward already to next season
It is still an exciting season to watch. Championship is still not decided although I am expecting MSC to take it.
Lots of overtaking again today and an exciting end to the race.
Ian
It is still an exciting season to watch. Championship is still not decided although I am expecting MSC to take it.
Lots of overtaking again today and an exciting end to the race.
Ian
lhatkins
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ya Sunday's race was an exciting one, what where Renault playing at? MSc deserved that win, Renualt practically handed it to them, Button move on the last corner was good, liked that.
I think the quote of the race was Culthard. "My steering locks when turn right, any ideas?" Hum, might have soemthing to do with you running into Massa don't you think??? Plank!
Ya I think the season's going to go down to the wire, I think if Renult pulled their finger out and stopped behaving like amatures they might just win it, otherwise MSC gets his 8th Chapionship win.
Going to be away next Sat so much remind myself to set the video!
I think the quote of the race was Culthard. "My steering locks when turn right, any ideas?" Hum, might have soemthing to do with you running into Massa don't you think??? Plank!
Ya I think the season's going to go down to the wire, I think if Renult pulled their finger out and stopped behaving like amatures they might just win it, otherwise MSC gets his 8th Chapionship win.
Going to be away next Sat so much remind myself to set the video!
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I think you are being a bit hard on Renault Lee - after all - it appeared that they had pulled their finger out and delivered a highly competitive package for FA to fight with in China.
I suspect they wouldn't have had to change the fronts if FA hadn't destroyed them pushing hard in his first stint.
For me , Schumacher's drive was one of his best. No errors. On the ball when he needed to be. And head and shoulders above the other Bridgestone runners on Saturday and in the first part of the race.
I suspect they wouldn't have had to change the fronts if FA hadn't destroyed them pushing hard in his first stint.
For me , Schumacher's drive was one of his best. No errors. On the ball when he needed to be. And head and shoulders above the other Bridgestone runners on Saturday and in the first part of the race.
lhatkins
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Well I guess I was pointing my finger to their pit crew and tyre choice rather than Alonso's driving, he did the bust he could, but the choice to change just one set of tyres just didn't work and then the mess up with the right rear wheel didn't help.
Alonso lost so much time due to that dodgy desision, he'd have been better off puting dry tyres on all round, ok he'd have been slow, but then we was anyway, I'm sure he would be expeienced enough to hold the car on the track, unlike Roskburg.
Alonso lost so much time due to that dodgy desision, he'd have been better off puting dry tyres on all round, ok he'd have been slow, but then we was anyway, I'm sure he would be expeienced enough to hold the car on the track, unlike Roskburg.
Bob McC
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Hoorah!
Alonso is going to have to keep well out of the way in the last GP methinks!
Alonso is going to have to keep well out of the way in the last GP methinks!
lhatkins
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ya he only has to score 1 point to win.
Ohh was that a bit of white smoke I saw coming from a Farreri?? no they have such bullet proof reliability, didn't expect to see that.
The last race will be a good one, hope Alnoso can bring it home in the points to win the Championship.
Made a perfect end to a good weekend watching that last night (had to record it)
Ohh was that a bit of white smoke I saw coming from a Farreri?? no they have such bullet proof reliability, didn't expect to see that.
The last race will be a good one, hope Alnoso can bring it home in the points to win the Championship.
Made a perfect end to a good weekend watching that last night (had to record it)
greg
Its a G thing
He reckons RF1 are trying to scupper his chances on the basis they don't want their outgoing driver being champ. Paranoia or something in it?lhatkins said:
lhatkins
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Ya I heard that too, think it was a bit of a miss quote by the Spanish Press, but he wasn't happy, understandably. Sure Renault has a lot to gain from wining the Championship as well, not just Alonso's gain, would be madness to not support him wouldn't it?greg said:
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So Renault now have a 10 point lead in the constructors and if they can get Fisi in front of Massa could detonate the arrogant little shit's engine and hand the driver's title to the deserving MS.
Oh how I'd love to see that....
Oh how I'd love to see that....
Bob McC
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that post does not make sense!
"Well I guess I was pointing my finger to their pit crew and tyre choice rather than Alonso's driving, he did the bust he could, but the choice to change just one set of tyres just didn't work and then the mess up with the right rear wheel didn't help.2
And the person who got it wrong in China and Hungary was not in Japan. A replacement was flown out.
A tough job for sure and inevitably mistakes will happen but two so close together is very surprising.
Ian
And the person who got it wrong in China and Hungary was not in Japan. A replacement was flown out.
A tough job for sure and inevitably mistakes will happen but two so close together is very surprising.
Ian
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You still moderating in the Dead Sea?
Yep, still moderating.
Seems a bit more active over here!!
Ian
Seems a bit more active over here!!
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