BNP/Bus photo

[auric]

I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it.--Voltaire

Easy words to utter but sometimes very hard words to follow; if they can be followed in testing times then all is not lost.

 

[lhatkins]

Its called "freedom of speach" john, we loose that, we loose everything we are and beleive in.
I'm sure we are all used to seeing the photo, haven't seen / heard anyone complain about it being used on the BBC website or TV. Its the fact that a party that some people don't like have used it and have put a slogan that is inaccurate with it that is what's getting people upset.
They have as much chance of getting any political power as I have at getting a driving licence! They are extremists, I don't think any sane person would give that party the time of day, in fact I'm surprised it got as far as getting on R4! Would have like to have heard it for the entertainment value.
Anyway what would they have done anyway? the people involved in this act where home grown British citizens.
Anyway talking of using this for political gain, my bet is that Labour will use this to make ID cards mandatory.
So they're all as bad as each other, can't beleive a word they say, the day a politian tells the true will be the day that hell freezes over.

 

[T-bone Sanchez]

The guy who owns the business next to our place is a member of the BNP. I didnt care for him before and I most certainly dont now but he has his rights as much as the next man, mores the pity.

Unfortunately I fear this is going to get worse before it gets better. The fact that these bombers are born and bred Brits, young, educated and as far as we know law-abiding citizens and they can do this. I really do fear that there will be pockets of kids out there who will only be inspired by these actions. Not a good situation.

 

[Sid and Coke]

Margaret Hodge, Labour MP for Barking, said: "It is despicable that the BNP is using what was an enormous shock and tragedy for Londoners to try and lay the blame on ethnic minorities."

So Margeret who do we blame, it wasn't little Johnny England and his rather eccentric bunch of middle class, middle England pals who planted the bombs, thats for sure.

England playing cricket with Pakistan at Edgebaston - who would they have been shouting for, always a good test i think....?

 

[bosco]

Talk in Beeston (leeds) is this.....The lads were hired by someone to take some sealed bags to a place in london. The trip was all paid for and they were to have a day out there too. They had set off really early not to bomb the rush hour but to get this task over and done with and spend a day in London.

The bombs were controlled by an external source (maybe a mobile phone tigger) and apparently were to be blown together but one of them failed. The lad on the bus prolly realised that he'd been set up and that it was a bomb in the bag so in his panic he left it on the bus, then realised cos it didnt go off he could maybe stop it going off all together and then ran out of time. Seems the person behind this wanted to cause a race/religion war??

Oh dear!

 

[penance]

er, that sounds like twaddle ^^^

 

[auric]

Just discovered this on the net.

Talk in the House .

 

[T-bone Sanchez]

Er, the Police have said one of the lads houses was a bomb making factory and contained explosives. The car they hired seems to have explosives in. Why did they all catch different trains, at the same time? The Police have already said it appears that the bombs were set off manually, as I understand it the man on the bus is dead as his belongings have been found at the site. Im sorry but for me the evil shits meant it.

 

[T-bone Sanchez]

Plus one of the lads has been spending time in Afghanistan and Pakistan, staying in areas known to have Al Q training camps.

 

[greg]

the bnp may well be scum, however they are a legit political party and have as many rights as anyone else.

As do Jihadis

What was said here is what many are saying and its true, the fact that those in authority can't see it shows how blind and stupid this country is, the terrorists must be laughing, we give them homes and cash, and stop people saying things against them even calling them terrorists, then they murder 50 plus people, and you still can't say anything, or at least, you can.

They probably are laughing, but then how do you go about turfing out those who are planning to bomb you - you cant do it based on predictions and until then they are entitled to what they're entitled to.

Clearly, the BNP are infinitely better than the despicable despots that preach and carry out this muderous act, but I am no supporter of the bnp.Righteous anger ought rather to be directed to the causes and eradicate that, rather than insignificant side issues which is still political point scoring.

The BNP are not infinitely better than the despicable despots. They adhere to beliefs that sent 6 million Jews to furnaces and mass graves.

"Obviously Islamic terrorists carried out the attacks, but it is the Labour Party's fault they did it.

Labour policy is partly to blame, as has been said above the Tories would have followed the same path IMO.

"By voting Labour, people gave us a Government which took us into an illegal war in Iraq that turned us all into targets.

Don't forget that the attack on the world trade centre came before the "War on Terror" so I'm not completely convinced this is true.

"It is the Labour Party that has lost control of our borders, so there is a huge sea of potential terrorists out there and the police can't see who is doing it.

As above, immigration policy is not to blame in this instance.

"The Labour Party for years has allowed Islamic extremists to preach in mosques in Britain and use them to recruit people to their cause. It is the Labour Party to blame."

The same laws have allowed right-wing facists to preach racial hate.

 

[greg]

Worth a read

 

[lordsummit]

Why is American broadcaster Jeff Rense, best known for late night chat shows talking about aliens and interviewing David Icke worth a read? It is blatantly obvious gibberish.
Al Queeda is nothing to do with politics or race it is to do with ideology, it's more a name given to a group of people who aren't so much led as sympathise, and they then take it upon themselves to act. Bin Laden won't have authorised the London attacks, a cell of Al Queeda terrorists will have chosen to carry them out. How stupid to think that some fabricated story is worthy of consideration

 

[greg]

I know its not news, but "al cia-da" means the cia base - a name given to a cia database in the late 80s which stored *potential* jihadists with no formal terrorist affiliations.

The ref to the Rense article was just humour, but if you believe everything is as it seems I think you're being naive. Personal documents identifying the bombers found at the scene? "Bullsh*t Mr. handman".

 

[7_V]

...For what it's worth I wouldnt be at all surprised if MOSAD were in some way involved in the recent bombings.

Is there some rationale behind this statement or are you just talking bollocks?

Steve M

 

[greg]

Is there some rationale behind this statement or are you just talking bollocks?

Steve M

Don't get me wrong, this is not an anti-Jewish comment by any means, I consider the state of Israel and it's policies as utterly distinct from the Jewish faith and it's people. It's just my opinion but I do think MOSAD are well versed in techniques of terrorism performed to undermine the opponents of Israel, in some cases to turn public Israeli opinion, and the onion of other nation states, in a certain way - ie. certain atrocities which appear to be committed against Israel, or Israeli interests were in fact committed by MOSAD - again this is just an opnion.

The contigious support for modern Israel since its inception is, of late, wavering. It is very much in the interests of the Israel authorities to help that support to swing back in its favour oncemore.

MOSAD are extremely effective, I would say currently the most effective in terms if techniques of gathering military intelligence and counter terrorism. They know what they're doing and I believe they are smart enough, effective enough and indeed determined enough to ensure the minds of their supporters is focused on the issue - that of the "awful threat of Islam" (not my view you understand?).

Warning of the bombings in London was apparently given two days ahead by Israeli Secret Service and several other sources within the Israeli administration, though this is now denied. Why did Netanyahu stay in his hotel room? The bombs used military explosives and the delivery was clinical - not typical of Jihadi activity outside of Iraq. There is little evidence of error or poor planning, yet the identities of the four direct culprits accompanied each of them. This set of events is not what it seems, but as you would expect there is no evidence of MOSAD's hand at work so I guess we'll never know.

As a general point I would suggest the Israeli authorities have a lot to answer for. They are the direct cause of much of the situation we find ourselves in today because of their heavy handed treatment of the Arab peoples in their region which has continued. This doesnt of course justify suicide bombings in tel Aviv, but there was no such thing as suicide bombings before. Deparate people turn to desparate measures. The response of the Lebanese and the Palestinians to this heavy handedness in the 60' and 70's created a model for Al Zaqawi and the like. Coupled of course later with the CIA assistance to the Mujahidin.

 

[7_V]

Just bollocks then.

 

[greg]

Just bollocks then.

Well that's a matter of opnion naturally regards recent events. I presume you also reject the whole premise that Israel as a nation has plenty to answer for?

Edited to add: as does the UK, US, Eqypt, Syria, Russia, etc.

 

[7_V]

Well that's a matter of opnion naturally regards recent events. I presume you also reject the whole premise that Israel as a nation has plenty to answer for?

No, I don't actually, although I wonder how the UK would react if there were (God forbid) 50 terrorist outrages like 7/7.

What I reject is your proposition that Mossad was somehow involved in the London bombs or in terrorist atrocities against Israelis. It makes about as much sense as this.

Steve M

 

[greg]

No, I don't actually, although I wonder how the UK would react if there were (God forbid) 50 terrorist outrages like 7/7.

Mmm, sounds like you're ignoring the events and acts which set a lot of this in motion. Unfortunately I don't share your view that Israel is the innocent party, bravely fighting the forces of evil in the Middle East. And just to underscore I do separate Israel as a nation state from Israel as represention of the Jewish nation so to speak. As I understand things there is a significant body of Jewish people who share this critical view of Israel policies.

Edited to add: in fact, I find your rejection of all and any culpability on the part of Israel quite frustrating. You are just plainly denying historical events. This is as ridiculous as those idiots who claim the Holocaust was fiction.

 

[greg]

It makes about as much sense as this.

Steve M

That's the same content I linked to with some humour above.