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[Cloth-Ears]

In a Cat ruled world, none of this would be happening. Meow.

 

[thwackless]

In a Cat ruled world, none of this would be happening. Meow.

Are you talking about mossad backed cat-rulers, or wot?

 

[Cloth-Ears]

Oh no, I mean Nazi Cats. Nazi Cats in DM boots and bomber jackets. Walking the streets, looking for trouble. Duffing up anyone who doesn't belong. Hissing and spitting at them, scratching them if they come close. And always loyal to their KatFuhrer.

 

[7_V]

Greg, why don't you carefully re-read post #38 above, before you come out with even more rubbish?

Steve M

 

[greg]

Greg, why don't you carefully re-read post #38 above, before you come out with even more rubbish?

Steve M

I asked:
"presume you also reject the whole premise that Israel as a nation has plenty to answer for?"

Your answer was...
"No, I don't actually"

You then made the implicit point that Israel has suffered many atrocities similar to, and worse than, the London bombings and this explains Israel's home affairs policies.

I don't dispute that the acts committed against Israeli's are beyond words in their barbarity, my point is that the Israeli authorities have committed acts in the past and continue to commit acts which are equally awful. Your response is to deny this.

Then I reread your post again and realised you.. well err, you don't reject the premise and in fact I went off on a rant for nothing

Sorry Steve, me being a d*ck

 

[7_V]

Forgedaboudit Greg.

The Israel/Palestine situation is very complex and most rational people think that both sides must share responsibility.

However, few rational people believe that either Mossad or Tony Blair are in any way involved with the London bombings or terrorist attacks on Israelis.

Steve M

 

[greg]

Forgedaboudit Greg.

The Israel/Palestine situation is very complex and most rational people think that both sides must share responsibility.

However, few rational people believe that either Mossad or Tony Blair are in any way involved with the London bombings or terrorist attacks on Israelis.

Steve M

Thanks for your patience.

Regards my opnions on MOSAD, who said I was rational?

 

[7_V]

... I keep telling myself that I won't get involved in politics on hi-fi forums, then someone pushes one of my buttons and ...

Oh well.

Steve M

 

[michaelab]

So Margeret who do we blame, it wasn't little Johnny England and his rather eccentric bunch of middle class, middle England pals who planted the bombs, thats for sure.

Oh FFS are you really that stupid? So, in your view (which seems to concur with the view of the BNP), just because the bombers happen to be of Pakistani ethnic origin that means that we blame all British Pakistanis? I suppose you believe that every Irish person is also a member of the IRA?

England playing cricket with Pakistan at Edgebaston - who would they have been shouting for, always a good test i think....?

A good test of what? Who gives a flying f*ck who anyone supports in Norman (racist thug dressed up as Tory politician) Tebbit's stupid "cricket test"? Do you expect British expats living in Spain to support Spain against England in football? Or Kiwis living in London to support England against the All Blacks at Twickenham?

Michael.

 

[greg]

A good test of what? Who gives a flying f*ck who anyone supports in Norman (racist thug dressed up as Tory politician) Tebbit's stupid "cricket test"? Do you expect British expats living in Spain to support Spain against England in football? Or Kiwis living in London to support England against the All Blacks at Twickenham?

Michael.

Hear hear!

 

[Lt Cdr Data]

Greg, my saying the BNP are infinietly better is to do with actions, they haven't murdered anyone despicably in this manner. its what you do or don't do. morally, that's infinetly better.

so they the cricket fans expats are they, or are they englanders? if expats why are they getting benefits and houses and businesses? try getting that there if you are british.

born and bred here, they are not pakinstanis. or are they? if so why do they support another nation rather than their own?

time to call the terrorists what they are, racist murderers ,british?, no chance, no british values in them at all.

interesting, Steve, I respect your views, but haven't there been occurences where Israel have actually allowed a terror attack in order to galvanise some hatred? I seem to recall so.

I wonder if intelligence did know something and there will be a cover up

I am wondering about the wisdom of allowing this thread....

 

[greg]

so they are expats are they, or are they englanders?
born and bred here, they are not pakinstanis. or are they?
time to call the terrorists what they are, racist murderers ,british?, no chance, no british values in them at all.

I find it confusing that you think anyone would criticise you for criticising the bombers and those who share their murderous beliefs. I havent read anything suggesting we should avoid labelling them as criminals and murderers.

However, let's not start tarring all British Pakistanis with the same brush. It's not contraversial.

Look at it another way, those who sexually abuse children should be locked up, named and shamed. In contrast, I have no doubt there are thousands of men who have inappropriate thoughts of this kind, but who do not act on those thoughts.

You cant start locking them up because of their thoughts alone and you cant assume to know what a person thinks because of how they look or what their background is.

Where I grew up in the midlands I had personal experience of anti-British Pakistanis who were hostile toward me and my friends because we were white and black. They and people like them are d*cks, but I didnt see it in racial terms. There are d*cks like that in each and every community.

What worries me is that extremist Jihadis are manipulating the beliefs and loyalties of disaffected British Pakistanis who perhaps dont fit into their local conservative Muslim communities. Perhaps they use drugs or commit crime, and they are rejected by the local Imam, their parents, etc. Or they are drawn towards the call to fight for a cause, which is a similar call heard by many who enter the British armed forces. The extremist Jihadis - who themselves would never be brave enough, or stupid enough to commit suicide, appear to offer a framework of acceptance, with clear objectives and beliefs. This framework ultimately appears capable of influencing certain young people toward devastating acts of murder. They clearly hook into certain passages in the Qur'An as a means of proving their strategy is the will of Allah.

Naturally they avoid the passages which contradict this simplistic view of honour and retribution. Let's not forget the word Islam means peace.

 

[Lt Cdr Data]

hmm, there are tho certain elements of the evil political correct establishment that would like to label them as not terrorists but simply bombers, and to deny its anything to do with Islam.

We should not be averse to saying it is from muslim communities this comes from, not be afraid of telling the truth, before we ackowledge the cause, the root, the source, no progress will be made.

I know Islam means peace and I have met lots of peaceful people that are better than some white british, whom I find rude, but its becoming clear that never the twain shall meet and we cannot adapt a majority society to a minority cause. its a big faillure and the sooner it dies the better, what I have been saying for ages, and only now, some voices are ackknowledging that all over europe

you didn't see it in racial terms cos racist is only a white thing, if its coloured to white, its not racist, but it is. its only P.C. telling you so.
you have used your own argument against yourslef by saying thought isn't a crime. we are all guilty of thought crime.

The terroists used to hate the USA, they didn't hate us, they do now because we are at one with the US, even tho the US isn't at one with us.

 

[lAmBoY]

Data - Do you think its OK to be British and a Muslim?

 

[Lt Cdr Data]

provided the two don't contradict, of course, like I have said, many are nicer, better mannered, and better people than white people here.

 

[Dev]

... cos racist is only a white thing, ...

what utter bollox. There are racists in all races.

Leaving all this aside, I agree with your previous post about the wisdom of allowing this thread to continue.

 

[Dev]

I think some of you are forgetting that many many many casualties of suicide bombers are also Muslim. I don't mean in this country, yesterday dozens of families were affected by the tragedy of a suicide bomber killing children in Iraq. How can anyone suggest that Muslims support that kind of action? It is truly a global problem.

 

[greg]

you didn't see it in racial terms cos racist is only a white thing, if its coloured to white, its not racist, but it is. its only P.C. telling you so.

Dude don't start telling me about how I think. I didnt see it is "racial" terms - ie. I didnt start tarring their community with one brush. They did see it in racial terms. They were just looking for something to justify their territorial feelings. Look at any inner city estate though, territorialism is everywhere. They werent very representative of their community.

I'm not as feeble minded as you mate - I take people as I find them and dont put people in boxes.

The terroists used to hate the USA, they didn't hate us, they do now because we are at one with the US, even tho the US isn't at one with us.

The UK administration made a big mistake choosing to back Bush/Rumsfeld in Iraq. They must have clapped their hands with glee. The Tories would have done the same. Now when we need something in return - concord regards climate change - it's No thanks.

 

[Lt Cdr Data]

sorry, I don't understand the terms dude and mate.

as it happens, I don't think there is such a thing as being racist, just differences.
b4 I get jumped on, what I mean is this, if you insult someone because of skin colour, that's racist. if you discriminate in an interview because of something in someone's appearence or manner you don't like, that's legitimate, but not if they are a woman or colured, tehn its sexist or racist.
all of that is of course, wrong, yet not if you dislike bald people.
its all just the same thing, just acceptable or unacceptable.
have you noticed a lot of senior policemen are tall, that's discrimination against small people. we like power, authority, but that is racist under another name. judging by a difference.

if you call them fatty, or baldy, its the same thing, just an insult on a personal level, based on some characteristic.
but that's not a crime. if you insult someone at all, you are guilty of the same thing as a racial insult. I am no better. or maybe there are degrees of insults?

 

[greg]

provided the two don't contradict, of course, like I have said, many are nicer, better mannered, and better people than white people here.

And I guess the "others" (the impolite ones, the nastier ones and those who are worse people than us) are the ones you havent met?