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Well, for the fourth night this week my fiance has called to say she will be late.
Not 20 minutes late, or an hour, but 2 hours. 2 hours for which she does not get payed. Also she has not had lunch today because she had patients to look after.

Maybe you winging moaners will consider the overworked and underpaid staff next time, before you have your blanket groan at the NHS.
Maybe that makes your little wait in A&E with a tad of pain seem less important.
 
PBirkett said:
Yes, but whats that got to do with him getting randomly punched by a thug who then ran off nowhere to be seen? He hadn't started it, but was just randomly punched. It still would have happenned if he hadnt been pissed, I cant see what your point is here?
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I'm not surprised that he had been drinking, is all.
 
I've discovered that the best way to be sorted is not to go to A&E, where you will have to wait at least 4 hours due to volume of demand, but to go instead to the Minor Injuries clinic...
If it's not life-threatening and requires perhaps an x-ray and simple bandaging/stitching/a cast you'll be sorted much quicker.
I went into the one in Ladbroke Grove a while ago with a torn cruciate ligament (not through drinking, I might add, but diesel on the road causing my mosickle to high-side), and was out complete with mini-cast within an hour..
 
PBirkett said:
Well it certainly appeared that way to me...
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No paul he was having a pop at my whinge, well fair enough, its the first time I've been a "borden" on the NHS but what gets me fired up is, 1, its a different story if its someone "important" (I use that word carefully), and 2, there was no demand, the place was virtually EMPTY and I still have to wait 4.5 hours. the staff where wondering around asking each other about their coffe break and which shift their working.
I agree the injury was not life threatening, and I totally agree if there where other cases coming in that needed immediate treatment then they should quite rightly be dealt with.
I wouldn't have minded if someone would have seen me and said would you like something for the pain, I read in the news that there is aupposed to be a target for administering pain releif, I can't remember the target time, but its less that 4.5 hours, and the best thing about it the drugs eventually given to me could have been got off the shelf at any chemist anyway, so I say again, best idea, take a first aid course and treat your bloody self. Pity you can't write your own sick notes!
Sorry Penance, but I feel I have a right to whine, if there was an alterntive, I'd take it, it another example of double standards. the NHS would soon improve if the "important" people where "forced" to use it along side us commoners.

leonard smalls said:
I've discovered that the best way to be sorted is not to go to A&E, where you will have to wait at least 4 hours due to volume of demand, but to go instead to the Minor Injuries clinic...
If it's not life-threatening and requires perhaps an x-ray and simple bandaging/stitching/a cast you'll be sorted much quicker.
I went into the one in Ladbroke Grove a while ago with a torn cruciate ligament (not through drinking, I might add, but diesel on the road causing my mosickle to high-side), and was out complete with mini-cast within an hour..
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Nice one Leonard, now that does sound like a good idea, have no dam idea where the one in Exeter is, but if that is the fastest way to get patched up and back on your way then its worth finding out where it is.

Oh just for the benifit mr Devil, I was sobar, no alachol, no drugs, etc at the time of my accident :)
 
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The Devil said:
Patients are seen in order of clinical urgency. There's no point in complaining here, so complain to the hospital.
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Ya understand that, I just wanted to say that it should be "who you are" which determins the level of "care" you get, and yes that would be a good idea, I'll put a letter together this afternoon. Just wish I'd known about the "Minor Injuries clinic" might have been a better place to go.
 
Lee,

I guess i came over a bit strong, my appologies.

I do get rilled when i hear people moaning about the NHS, seeing the other side of it via Kay makes me realise what actually goes on.

Tho if the A&E was truely empty, then you are probably right to moan.
 
penance said:
Lee,

I guess i came over a bit strong, my appologies.

I do get rilled when i hear people moaning about the NHS, seeing the other side of it via Kay makes me realise what actually goes on.

Tho if the A&E was truely empty, then you are probably right to moan.
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No worries penance no offense taken, if I had my phone with me I'd have taken a picture, cos I'm sure its not a comon sight to see an empty reception, I first thought I'd gone to the wrong place! If I could have had something to take the pain away I wouldn't have minded so much.
I sure Kay does wonderful work and I can understand how you feel, please don't take my moan personally.
 
I broke my leg once while visiting Cornwall (as you do..)
It took them less than an hour to x-ray and get a plaster on in Turbo Hospital. When I got back to London I made an appointment at Charing Cross - waited for 2 hours then they just whinged about "how badly" the original cast had been put on, simply because it was one of the old style plaster ones.
It's funny how they thought they were the only ones capable of giving decent medical care in that big-city-centric sort of way, without realising that not having ridiculous waiting times, and more importantly non-pompous communication are as important..
 
Aged 13 tried to catch a cricket ball on its way for 6, Got the tip of my index finger dislocated so off to A+E. After Xrays and a 6 hour wait a doc relocated the joint and in doing so managed to break 2 bones. a further 6 hours paseed before i was allowed home,
 
penance said:
Well, for the fourth night this week my fiance has called to say she will be late.
Not 20 minutes late, or an hour, but 2 hours. 2 hours for which she does not get payed. Also she has not had lunch today because she had patients to look after.
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That's well out of order, and sadly, waaaaay too common in the NHS. Perhaps they should get rid of the consultants and middle managers, and pay more nurses and doctors who actually DO the work.

While they're at it, maybe someone can tell me why some thick-as-pig-shit gimp like either of the Beckhams gets shedloads for doing nothing, while a doctor busts their ass for peanuts?
 
domfjbrown said:
While they're at it, maybe someone can tell me why some thick-as-pig-shit gimp like either of the Beckhams gets shedloads for doing nothing, while a doctor busts their ass for peanuts?
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Easy. There are people prepared to pay him more money than doctors get. David Beckham has skills that people are prepared to pay good money for.

As a footballer, he has worked on his skills from an early age. This meant that he stood when playing football. Many clubs wanted his talent then. Because of his hard work developing his skills, he has reaped the rewards.

His ability to kick a ball at world class level has allowed him to progress in the football field. This has meant he gets paid well. He has more control over what he earns.

Having boyish good looks and charm has made him a media fave. He earns more from non football activities than from playing the game. Because of this, he is known throughout the world.

His wife, Victoria, was a member of one of the most sucessful female groups of alltime. This will make you alot of money and give you media coverage. The music business has the potential of earning huge rewards.

Together they are a media dream. Interest in them is worldwide. This has generated alot of money because people are very interested in them. Football clubs know this and much extra revenue is generated from it.

At the end of the day, they do things that interest alot of people. There are plenty of people who are prepared to pay them good money for it.


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The Devil said:
Perhaps you should get some kind of clue, before posting.
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I think he does, like me, we both work in Public sector and if the managers are anything like what I see at work then there is no wonder its in such a state, we have about 3 people to any one manager, its ridiculus, and I've not met one yet that knew anything about the subject matter their supposed to be managing.

The NHS has too much red tape and too many paper pushers, I'm afraid the police service is the same, I don't know what it is about public services, non of this would happen in the private sector, they'l all loose their jobs, maybe this is what Mr Devil is worried about. Now get back behind your desk.
 
SCIDB said:
Easy. There are people prepared to pay him more money than doctors get. David Beckham has skills that people are prepared to pay good money for.

As a footballer, he has worked on his skills from an early age. This meant that he stood when playing football. Many clubs wanted his talent then. Because of his hard work developing his skills, he has reaped the rewards.

His ability to kick a ball at world class level has allowed him to progress in the football field. This has meant he gets paid well. He has more control over what he earns.

Having boyish good looks and charm has made him a media fave. He earns more from non football activities than from playing the game. Because of this, he is known throughout the world.

His wife, Victoria, was a member of one of the most sucessful female groups of alltime. This will make you alot of money and give you media coverage. The music business has the potential of earning huge rewards.

Together they are a media dream. Interest in them is worldwide. This has generated alot of money because people are very interested in them. Football clubs know this and much extra revenue is generated from it.

At the end of the day, they do things that interest alot of people. There are plenty of people who are prepared to pay them good money for it.


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D.Beckham, SKILL? Any muppet can kick a ball aound a football field for 90 mins, SKILL, not a chance.
V.Beckham, my wife has better vocal ability than her.
Ya its strange we are prepared to pay for this sort of waste of space but the "real" importand people, eg. doctors, nurses, police, etc we're not, just bizare.
 
lhatkins said:
The NHS has too much red tape and too many paper pushers, I'm afraid the police service is the same, I don't know what it is about public services, non of this would happen in the private sector, they'l all loose their jobs, maybe this is what Mr Devil is worried about.
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Wrong.
 
lhatkins said:
D.Beckham, SKILL? Any muppet can kick a ball aound a football field for 90 mins, SKILL, not a chance.
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I think you find most football fans couldn't walk for 90 mins! Most people can't kick a football will great accuracy. Most people, including alot of profesional footballers, can't hit a long field pass. Or cross the ball with good accuracy.

If you know anything about football, then you will know that David Beckham's strengths lie in his ability to hit quality free kicks, corners, long range passes.

He burst onto the scene in 1996 when he scored a goal from the halfway line. He saw the keeper off his goal line and hit an inch perfect chip from the near the centre spot. Scoring from the halfway line is very hard to do. I doubt Kemit the frog or Miss Piggy could do it!

lhatkins said:
V.Beckham, my wife has better vocal ability than her.
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That maybe so but to do well in the music business, you need more than vocal talent. Victoria did well because she was a member of the Spice girls. The Spice girls had a very strong group image. (Girl Power) The members of the group were distinct characters which added to their appeal. (Victoria was the posh one.)

The marketing worked. It gave them a huge female fan base with male appeal.

In the Spice girls, Victoria didn't have much solo singing mainly the odd line. She sang in unison with the rest of the girls.

I agree she is not that good a vocalist but in context of the Spice girls she has done well.

Like them or not, they are the biggest selling female group of alltime. They have made themselves, their record company and this country a lot of money.

lhatkins said:
Ya its strange we are prepared to pay for this sort of waste of space but the "real" importand people, eg. doctors, nurses, police, etc we're not, just bizare.
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It's not strange at all. It's always been that way. Throughout history it has been like this. The people with the money decide what other people get paid. If you are in the entertaiment business then you can get good money. The entertainment business makes a lot of money so people demand, and get, bigger fees and wages.

As a dj and someone who works in the music business, I have benefited from this. I have done gigs where I have earned more in a few hours than what some people earn in a week. It's just the way things are.

Don't get me wrong, I do think nurses, doctors should get more money. They can do excellent work. In these fields, the higher qualified &/or more experienced &/or higher ranked people can get more pay. The skills on offer can give this. It just that more money can be gained elsewhere.

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The Devil said:
Wrong.
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About what? Through my work I've had dealings with the Exeter NHS PCT (we tender for some of their IT work) and I'll just say that the money they chuck about at "this months fad" is shocking. I'm obviously not allow to elaborate any further. Lets not mention the "online paicent booking" website, complete flop! how much did that cost? Money that could have been used to actually employ "STAFF".
 

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