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Well Sweden have voted no to the Euro. Will this make any difference to Mr Blair and his narrow minded vision for a police state Europe, I don't think so.

I have just come back from a holiday in Spain and boy is the Euro expensive. Sweden and Denmark it seems are more clued up than most. I know not all Countries had a Referendum, but if we do we should tell Mr Blair to stick the Euro up his Jacksee.
 
Originally posted by Mark67
Well Sweden have voted no to the Euro. Will this make any difference to Mr Blair and his narrow minded vision for a police state Europe, I don't think so.

I have just come back from a holiday in Spain and boy is the Euro expensive. Sweden and Denmark it seems are more clued up than most. I know not all Countries had a Referendum, but if we do we should tell Mr Blair to stick the Euro up his Jacksee.
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Having moved to Europe 5 1/2 years ago I have to say that the Euro is FANTASTIC.
The only reason it's expensive for those coming from the UK is because the Pound is HIGHLY over-valued (by about 15% To 20%). Just think how cheap it is for me to buy stuff from the UK :D .

Britain missed the boat on that one a loooooooooooong time ago.

And living outside the UK ?
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Did you wear your Union Jack shorts and BNP tattoo whilst you were out in Spain then Mark? :D

Sweden has very good reasons to reject the Euro. They have a fantastic welfare state which should be the envy of every other country in Europe. For that they pay high taxes but they like it like that. Joining the Euro for them could well have spelled the end of that system due to the contstraints of the stability pact.

The UK OTOH has no valid economic reasons to reject the Euro. The "no" supporters simply trot out the same old tired nationalist rubbish about sovereignty and "giving up control to Brussels" :rolleyes:

The Euro in Spain is no more expensive that the Peseta would have been had the Euro not existed. The issue is not that the Euro is strong but that the Pound is weak ;) And believe me, since I get paid in Sterling and live in Portugal (which is in the Euro) I know exactly how weak the Pound is :mad:

I don't hold much hope that Blair or anyone else could convince the people of the UK to accept what's best for them and vote YES to the Euro :( More's the pity, it will be the UK's loss. It's comments like yours which remind me why I left the UK for good :MILD:

Michael.
 
Originally posted by michaelab
Did you wear your Union Jack shorts and BNP tattoo whilst you were out in Spain then Mark? :D

Sweden has very good reasons to reject the Euro. They have a fantastic welfare state which should be the envy of every other country in Europe

Michael.
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No I didn't, I am not a football hooligan.

Would joining the euro will improve our welfare state?

Wasn't it the Labour Party that wanted us get OUT of Europe altogether? Now we have Mr Blair saying how wonderful the Euro is and how it will benefit the UK. So how can we be expected to believe his wafflings.
Remember Neil kinnock, His gravy train in the Euro Commission. Taking the Duty Free shopping away from us, but keeping it for himself.

Remember the famous words of Thatcher 'Beware the F Word'. The Euro is the beginning of the end for the UK.

I am sure I read somewhere that the French and German public would like to ditch the Euro and go back to their respective currencies if they where given the chance.

The UK should think long and hard 'cause once we have been duped , there is no way back.

Those who have got the Euro and are happy with it, I am pleased for you. But can we please keep of our shores?
 
Mark - it's clear we have opinions about this issue that are so far apart that we won't be able to agree on anything. There's little point in us scoring points off each other here for the sake of it so I'm not going to argue any further.

I've never been keen to discuss politics and other emotive issues such as abortion, the death penalty etc here or in any other "hobby" forum, it just leads to unnecessary bad feeling between members.

Michael.
 
A moderate approach

Chaps

I am as true a blue Tory as you will ever find but I have to acknowledge that for the sake of our grandchildren, we will eventually have to join the euro.

Brown is spot on by introducing his strategy of convergence and the 5 economic tests. Once we have similar interest rates, inflation levels and unemployment rates with the rest of Europe, then there is no excuse not to join in.

It is worth noting, that Massey Ferguson is shutting down its plant in coventry and moving it to Beauvais in france, mainly for reasons of exchange rate stability of the Euro. If the company had felt that there had been a chance of the UK entering the Euro, they may well have remained here.

The stark reality is that today and possibly for the next few years, we are better off out but in the long term we have to go in.

Regards

Mick
 
Re: A moderate approach

Originally posted by mick parry
I am as true a blue Tory as you will ever find but I have to acknowledge that for the sake of our grandchildren, we will eventually have to join the euro.
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The way the world's going, there won't be any grandchildren to worry about - and I for one am NOT having ANY children so that's moot...

We'll get shafted on the euro either way - New Labour are as corrupt as a very corrupt thing - I didn't vote for them in 1997 and so can stand proud. Whatever's going to happen, you can guarantee we'll get steamrollered into it.

As for Sweden having a great welfare state - if it's so good - why don't *bogus* asylum seekers go there to blag and do us all a favour?
 
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Originally posted by domfjbrown

As for Sweden having a great welfare state - if it's so good - why don't *bogus* asylum seekers go there to blag and do us all a favour?
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And onto our next "Euro Why Not/UK No Way" topic : I.D. Cards !!!

It's very hard to screw a welfare/benefits system when you don't have an I.D. card in most Eurozone countries.

Need to register for an I.D. in Luxembourg ?

"Can we see your Passport, permanent Employment Contract from you employer in Luxembourg and your housing details (rent contract etc) for Luxembourg.

Thank you, sir.
We'll get back to you."

If I don't have my ID card on me [at all times] along with at least 50 Euroids then I can be classed by the police as a vagrant !!!!!
I've never heard of it happening to anyone but it's in the documentation :eek: .

As mentioned before; the UK have left all of these things too late and are not in a good position to make the transition :rolleyes: .
 
But at least we don't eat snails...

ID cards are a great idea - if you're doing nothing wrong you've nothing to hide...

Mind you, that thing about 50 euros - that's a load of crap - what happens if you get mugged? Actually - that also applies to the ID cards then I guess ;)
 
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Originally posted by domfjbrown
Whatever's going to happen, you can guarantee we'll get steamrollered into it.
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As I understand it, there would have to be a referendum on whether or not it was going to happen, so the only way anyone will get steamrollered into anything is if they can't be bothered to actually find things out for themselves and just vote the way their newspaper tells them to. Apathy is a growing problem, people cant be bothered to find out about things for themselves and will let themselves be told what's what by the media. Of course, even if there's a referendum there's a strong chance that a large percentage of the country won't bother to vote, and then grumble about the outcome of something they have some power in deciding.

Originally posted by domfjbrown ID cards are a great idea - if you're doing nothing wrong you've nothing to hide...[/B]
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Why should we have to carry identification papers/cards? There was mention earlier in this thread of "police state Europe", surely having to carry an ID card, with failure to have such on your person if asked for it resulting in a fine, sounds very much like something that would happen in such a state.
 
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We dont need the euro, its a load of bollocks. It wouldnt work over here. We'll be giving up control, and therefore our countries best needs will not be put first. I dont understand economics particularly, but my dad explained it to me in a way that kinda makes sense. If we need interest rates lowering in this country, but others want them raised, thats what will happen (like I say I dont understand economics particularly so dont pick on me :D).

Our economy is strong while germany and france are supposedly in recession. Why would we wanna give this up? Doesnt seem to benefit anyone really.

No I think we should keep the pound, I'm proud to be British :p
 
I'm proud to be British
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I'm not being facetious here, and am not picking on you Paul, but can I ask why? I really am curious as to what people's motivations are when they make this statement, as, personally speaking, whilst I've never been ashamed of who I am or where I'm from, I've never really placed any pride in where my parents - and please excuse the crude term - happened to be shagging at the time they conceived me.

Cheers.
 
Oh Christ here we go :rolleyes:

Sometimes I think it would just be better if the UK was kicked out of the EU alltogther and left to fester in its own petty nationalism and then the rest of us could actually just get on with building a better Europe without the UKs constant winging and sabotaging.

Perhaps the UK could join NAFTA (North American Free Trade Association) like Thatcher recently suggested (she really has lost the plot these days) and then see what happens to your tin pot economy when competing with the US, Canada and Mexico. Forget about the minor detail that the vast majority of the UK's trade is with the rest of Europe.

The old "we can control our economy better" argument comes up again. What do you think happens in the USA when California is in a boom and North Carolina is in recession? They can't control their interest rates separately and it seems to work fine for them. The benefits in joining the Euro would be so huge for the UK but if its largely ignorant and petty nationalist population reject that then it's their loss.

I've moved out of the UK and am not planning to return (on a permanent basis). As soon as I'm eligible (next year) I'm going to get myself Portuguese citizenship so that I know I'll be a citizen of the EU for the forseeable future (in case the UK really does split). I'm not proud to be British.

My dream would be for a federal United States of Europe. Someone needs to be able to provide credible opposition to the USAs economic and military ultra right wing steamroller.

Michael.
 
Originally posted by michaelab

My dream would be for a federal United States of Europe. Someone needs to be able to provide credible opposition to the USAs economic and military ultra right wing steamroller.

Michael.
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Ditto, but only after banning French food:p

BTW, Did you know it's almost impossible to find a vegetarian restaurant in France? Although quite what this has to do with the debate here I don't know:o
 
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BTW, Did you know it's almost impossible to find a vegetarian restaurant in France? Although quite what this has to do with the debate here I don't know:o
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So true it's frightening :eek: .

My missus is a veggy (eats fish though) and it's and absolute NIGHTMARE going over the border and finding something other than a green salad and some fries. She's French and some of the stories she's told me about being a veggie in France are hilarious :).

She take no shit though:D.

Good French food though is absolute heaven. They don't fanny around with fusion cooking etc. ; they just get the basic sooooooooooooo right !

And I love it when people go on about France and Germany being in recession and the UK being so financially healthy. Give it time and it'll collapse just like it always does. The difference this time will be that as the UK collapses under it's usual 9/10 year cycle the Eurozone will do nothing but prosper from it. And as mentioned previously, the companies have already started relocating to mainland Europe.

It's easy for people in the UK to say the Euro is crap (i'm not having a go at anybody BTW :D ) but having lived part of my adult life in both the UK and Europe (with and without the Euro) I can EASILY state that leaving the UK was one (if not THE) BEST things I've ever done and the Euro was no hassle when it arrived and it's no hassle now.

I'm off for a fly one :MILD: .

Ahhhh, Europe.
 
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but having lived part of my adult life in both the UK and Europe (with and without the Euro) I can EASILY state that leaving the UK was one (if not THE) BEST things I've ever done and the Euro was no hassle when it arrived and it's no hassle now.
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Same here - I concur wholeheartedly :MILD:
Michael.
 
michael,
don;t you work for an anglo american company? isn;t it a tad hipocritical to say that the us and uk are less than ideal whilst your personal standard of living is supported by funds from these countries?
i am proud to be british. there is a rich history here. ok, some of it is not something that we should be proud of but a lot of it is. as for joining the euro, i don't have enough information to have a meaningful opinion but seeing as most of europe is in recession whilst the uk is not it seems like a good idea to keep the status quo for the time being although in the long run i'm sure it would be a good idea to join.

also the idea that pride in your country is wrong is troubling as is the assertion that bride of being british is akin to being in the bnp. would it be fair to say that all irish are ira supporters. all muslims would crash planes into buildings and all iraqui's have wmd's stashed under their beds and mass graves in their back yards. no of course not if i said that i'd be called a racist and rightly so, so please don;t call me a facist just because i love my country.

cheers


julian
 

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