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julian2002

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Good idea and necessary for national security, gross invasion of privacy or the mark of the beast?
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julian.
 
Good idea as long as they are compulsory. Anything else is mostly pointless.

donns flame proof suite, and asbestos underwear.
 
I have no problem with this cards, I have nothing to hide and I think they will boost security in the UK. You will always get people who will vote against it though as they will claim it hinders their human rights. I will ask them what human rights does it hinder? The right to plant a bomb?
 
I don't have any problem with having a card. What I would have a problem with would be having to present it every five minutes, or having my whereabouts at any given time that I show the card recorded. If it is used as id for buying alcohol and other controlled substances, for showing eligability for prescibed drugs, for security for a bank account, and particularly used to reduce benefit fraud then that is fine and good.
 
I think it depends on the implimentation and use of the card myself. for example if it just held a photo, your NI number, signature and possibly some sort of biometric ID then fine. if they try and tie in things like religion or medical conditions etc. then i'd be worried. how would you like to be excluded from a job, passed over for promotion or refused credit because of the information on the card i.e. a family history of heart disease or cancer.
being a contrary cuss i use cash as much as possible and don;t have any store cards so it goes against my nature to just accept it but i can see the sense in them IF they are used in a minimalist way.
cheers


julian
 
Not fussed either way about them, but would object to paying eighty odd quid when I have already paid out for a perfectly good passport, driving licence, etc.
 
julian2002 said:
I think it depends on the implimentation and use of the card myself. for example if it just held a photo, your NI number, signature and possibly some sort of biometric ID then fine. if they try and tie in things like religion or medical conditions etc. then i'd be worried. how would you like to be excluded from a job, passed over for promotion or refused credit because of the information on the card i.e. a family history of heart disease or cancer.
being a contrary cuss i use cash as much as possible and don;t have any store cards so it goes against my nature to just accept it but i can see the sense in them IF they are used in a minimalist way.
cheers


julian
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It won't ever go that far because that will breach the European Human Rights Act as well as data protection laws. For example the most the employer should be able to find out from an ID card is your true date of birth, your NI number and your name and address. Everything else will be kept private.

One thing the government needs to do is work on a very advanced encyption system is this is going to work though. There is no point on these cards if people can make fakes.
 
amazingtrade said:
I have no problem with this cards, I have nothing to hide and I think they will boost security in the UK. You will always get people who will vote against it though as they will claim it hinders their human rights. I will ask them what human rights does it hinder?
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What data to they put on it & who can access it. Data protection. The amount of data they put on. Loss of privacy. We have seen a growing number of ID fraud. Is the data right? There has been times when some of my info has been wrong.

amazingtrade said:
The right to plant a bomb?
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Terrorists can be anyone from anywhere. A lot of terrorists are nationals of the country they operate in. ID cards didn't stop Spanish terrorists. So how is this going to stop terrorism?

SCIDB
 
Just say no. Today's Queen's speech shows we're governed by a bunch of paranoid illiberal fruitcakes.

-- Ian
 
SCIDB said:
What data to they put on it & who can access it. Data protection. The amount of data they put on. Loss of privacy. We have seen a growing number of ID fraud. Is the data right? There has been times when some of my info has been wrong.

Terrorists can be anyone from anywhere. A lot of terrorists are nationals of the country they operate in. ID cards didn't stop Spanish terrorists. So how is this going to stop terrorism?

SCIDB
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I am sure it would be made as bomb proof as possible. If they do it right it will take years to research. If this things come out within the next two years I would be worried because the scheme would be rushed and flawed.

They won't stop terrorism but they might help prevent it. I think the best way to look at ID cards is as little more than an electronic passport. If they record every single item you buy in shops and every time you hop on a bus then people have every right to object to them but I don't think they are planning any big brother spying with these cards.

It would however be recorded when you rent a flat or hire a car. This way they can keep track on terrorists moves. However they will always be people operating outside of the law and this case the cards won't solve anything.
 
they can shove em were the sun dont shine,yes ive a passport but thats my choice as i wish to travel abroad,if i need to prove who i am,ask me mum,to me its just another revinue raising scheme by torry blair
 
Hi

amazingtrade said:
It would however be recorded when you rent a flat or hire a car. This way they can keep track on terrorists moves.
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Only if you know who the terrorist are.

SCIDB
 
I really don't know why people in the UK make such a song and dance about identity cards. Pretty much every other country in the world has some kind of ID card system and they're not all Orwellian dicatorships that monitor your every heartbeat :rolleyes:

If everyone had to have one you wouldn't have to go through the absurd bureaucracy of having to show 2 utility bills, your driving license, your passport, your birth certificate, a fingerprint, a sample of DNA etc. etc. just to open a bloody Blockbuster account :rolleyes:

Michael.
 
michaelab said:
If everyone had to have one you wouldn't have to go through the absurd bureaucracy of having to show 2 utility bills, your driving license, your passport, your birth certificate, a fingerprint, a sample of DNA etc. etc. just to open a bloody Blockbuster account.

Michael.
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Bet you would though,

my driving licence has my photo, name, address etc etc etc, but it still aint aint enough proof of who I am.

I recently had to open another bank account and had to supply "7" forms of ID ranging from utility bills to passport to driving licence etc.

I couldnt care less whether id cards come in or not. As long as it does what it says on the tin.
 
michaelab said:
I really don't know why people in the UK make such a song and dance about identity cards. Pretty much every other country in the world has some kind of ID card system and they're not all Orwellian dicatorships that monitor your every heartbeat :rolleyes:
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Agreed. Most of continental Europe carries ID cards and folk there find them no problem at all. Indeed, as Michael says, they're quite convenient for establishing identity without undue hassle. And locally the German and French customs at the Swiss border accept the Swiss Ausweis as if it were a passport.
 
tones said:
Agreed. Most of continental Europe carries ID cards and folk there find them no problem at all. Indeed, as Michael says, they're quite convenient for establishing identity without undue hassle. And locally the German and French customs at the Swiss border accept the Swiss Ausweis as if it were a passport.
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That's the same between Sweden and the other Nordic countries.

Everything here is done by your personal number, (not an actual card itself but normally written on driving license etc). This has led to problems with ID steeling, but on the whole it works brilliantly. Of course before I got my number it was impossible to do anything no matter how many other forms of ID I had.
 

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