Identity cards....

The only thing I don't like about ID cards is that it's yet another proof of identity one has to carry. I'd like the ID card to replace all other forms of ID such as Passport, driving Licence etc. It shouldn't be too much of a problem technically. Other than that, I really don't see what the fuss is about. To those people who object to carrying ID cards, I'd like to ask what they have to hide? I agree with some of the others here who've said just convenient it can be.
 
The thing I said on the news said no decision would be made to if they are mandatory or not until at least 2010. My gripe is I don't see how they can force people to pay £80 for one.

You should see how difficult it is to get a bloody bus pass, I need to show my passport, NUS card and a letter from my university.
 
just say , im a terrorist.
ive got an id card,
ive just planted a bomb.

the id card dident stop me and if i wanted to buy bomb making materials i doubt id have to show id to do it.

thers dark undertones here.
they can shove their id cards right up their @:+%£.
 
rob said:
just say , im a terrorist.
ive got an id card,
ive just planted a bomb.

the id card dident stop me and if i wanted to buy bomb making materials i doubt id have to show id to do it.

thers dark undertones here.
they can shove their id cards right up their @:+%£.
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You're missing the point, many shops that sell parts for making bombs including maplin operate well within the law. If you want to buy parts used to make bombs you will have to show ID cards. If the police find out shops are not complying to these laws they can close them down.

The point of ID cards is to allow agencies like M15 to have a better idea of where the major crinmals are operating.

At the end of the day its just a driivng licence/passport with a semiconductor on it. I don't really get what the big fuss is about.

As other people have said a lot of European states have ID cards now anyway.
 
if a government wants us to carry id cards , in a way they are suspecting us of being criminals, they are certianly saying they dont trust us.
if the cards were free it might be different but i dont see why i have to pay £80 to a paranoid government to prove my innocense before a crime has even been commited.
i also dont want personal details being held by mi5 etc.
im innocent and im being treated like a suspected criminal if im forced to prove who i am.
 
rob, I'm sorry but that's just paranoid bollox. ID cards are useful and will cut down on a hell of a lot of bureaucracy in times when you have to prove your identity. The may help to reduce crime but I doubt it.

i also dont want personal details being held by mi5 etc.
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If they want to they'll hold your details whether you have an ID card or not.

im being treated like a suspected criminal if im forced to prove who i am
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So, when you open an account at the video store, the bank, etc. and they ask you for proof of identity, do you think they're treating you like a suspected criminal? Hell, why shouldn't I just be able to walk into a bank and say my name's King Arthur and I'd like to open an account please :rolleyes: .

Michael.
 
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin 1759
 
So, when you open an account at the video store, the bank, etc. and they ask you for proof of identity, do you think they're treating you like a suspected criminal? Hell, why shouldn't I just be able to walk into a bank and say my name's King Arthur and I'd like to open an account please .

but i can use my passport for that , ive got loads of id , why do i still have to prove who i am and pay (if they do make people pay) for the pleasure?
ive never had any trouble in the past with id in banks etc , i only wish my bank dident know who i am.

i agree , an id card is an easy form of id but then again so are passports etc and anyone who tries to open a bank account without id has no chance like you said but like i said , i already have adaquate id for these purposes and dont need any more.

perhaps they should make people with little or no id have id cards , at least people would have a choice which dosent seem to be the case with our goverment.
 
amazingtrade said:
I have no problem with this cards, I have nothing to hide and I think they will boost security in the UK. You will always get people who will vote against it though as they will claim it hinders their human rights. I will ask them what human rights does it hinder? The right to plant a bomb?
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They will respond back, and rightly so.

How will it actually prevent any crime etc?

Please do tell, because I really want to know.

GTM
 
Dev said:
....To those people who object to carrying ID cards, I'd like to ask what they have to hide? .
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Why does someone have to have something to hide to object to carrying one?

I ask you this. Give me a reason why I should have to prove to anyone who I am whilst just walking down the street?

Either the authorities have a reason to think I have done something wrong, in which case they can just arrest me and charge me, or they have no basis for that belief. My actual identity is irrelevant in both cases.

In my opinion, we fought a war against the kind of lack of freedom that these cards are the begining of. Freedom of movement within a free democracy is a civil right.

If we give in to the use of such methods of control, the terrorists have won.

It's as simple as that.

GTM
 
I think the "civil rights" are more of a help to criminals and a lesser inconvenience to potential victims. I'm not just referring to terrorism where I think the advantages of ID cards are grossly exaggerated.
 
This govt. is now well passed its sell by date.

The draconian measures being brought in are no help whatsoever in tackling a small but present threat by a few nutters.

When will it be the case that the govt. is elected by the public for the interests of the public, and nothing more. It doesn't exist to serve itself or its own interests.

The thing that concerns me is the raft of new legislation that can fine you for virtually nothing.

Fine people for putting a bin out on the wrong nite, yet allow criminals and paedophiles incredible rights. utter madness.

its just a cynical attempt to get money out of minor things in order to pay for looney schemes and modernisation bullshit, and line mp's and councillors pockets.

Too much power with too many people is partly what is wrong, less power to quangos and councils.

Time people had a say in what happens, not the govt. putting forth measures, but people.

Personally, I don't mind having an identity card, I do wonder where it will go and end up, and what info will be encoded, like perhaps being banned from banks if you get a county court judgement, or fail repayments.
Or this insurance malarky, being refused for unreasonable reasons.

I do object though to having to pay crazy amounts, forcibly.
 
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Dev said:
I think the "civil rights" are more of a help to criminals and a lesser inconvenience to potential victims. I'm not just referring to terrorism where I think the advantages of ID cards are grossly exaggerated.
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i think that there people struggling for liberty and civil rights in plenty of oppressive regimes around the world that would disagree with you.

we should not be so ready to give up hard won liberties. this country is lucky that much of the pain involved in establishing these civil liberties was suffered by our ancestors. we shouldn't be so ready to undo their work.
 
I'd like to know why anyone thinks that ID cards are any more of an infringement on civil liberties than photo driving licences or passports?

There are genuine infringements of civil liberties we should be much more concerned about, such as being imprisoned indefinitely without trial on the basis of the flimsiest of evidence, such as is the case for a number of people in the UK who are "suspected terrorists" simply because the FBI called up Scotland Yard and said they didn't like the look of them.

ID cards are practical. They've got nothing to do with infringement of civil liberties. It's an illusion to think that you're somehow more free because you don't have an ID card. It's particularly unfortunate that ID cards have been slung in with all the other "crime fighting" and "anti-terror" measures in the Queen's speech, many of which have the potential to be far more sinister.

Michael.
 
Paul Ranson said:
Why should I have to show ID to open a bank account?

Paul
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I believe it's to prove who you are and to help stop money laundering etc.

On the identity card front - no complaints from me, in fact I'd take it further and make everyone give a DNA sample - surely that would help to solve crimes.

Matt.
 
Matt F said:
On the identity card front - no complaints from me, in fact I'd take it further and make everyone give a DNA sample - surely that would help to solve crimes.

Matt.
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So would I. Think of all the rape cases that could be solved, instead of just worrying about how inconvient it would be to provide DNA sample.

As Michael's asked, how does an ID card infringe anyone's civil liberties? I'd find it far more convenient than other ways to prove who I am.
 

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