scalford hall hifi show 2011

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Richard Dunn said:
With pleasure.

Case and silk screening £35
Potentiometer £2-50
Selector switch £1 (approx)
Sockets about £10
Connection about £2-50
Knobs £2
Packaging £12
Labour £30
Total £95

Manufacturers profit margin £95, times two of costs - selling price £190.

If that was retailed the selling retail price would be at least £350.

If you go to http://www.klang-projekt.de/nva_ex-preis.htm you will see that in 1999 when we went through retail and foriegn distributors the price for a P50 was £350. My case now costs me less and so does my potentiometer and cabling so my price would still be about the same if I retailed.

So how many manufacturers can you quote whos prices are now about 45% less than they were in 1999.
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I was about to leap to your defence Richard before I saw the workings out.

I am building a passive, or about to.

It IS going to cost me about £100 all said and done, more like £150 as I will go for a stepped attenuator.

I don't think twice that is a big price to pay to get someone to make it for you in a more attractive case than the one I will use.

Incidentally, have you thought about offering a 48 step attenuator in a passive?

I will probably go this way, I like the additional increments in volume.


Cheers
C
 
bottleneck said:
I was about to leap to your defence Richard before I saw the workings out.

I am building a passive, or about to.

It IS going to cost me about £100 all said and done, more like £150 as I will go for a stepped attenuator.

I don't think twice that is a big price to pay to get someone to make it for you in a more attractive case than the one I will use.

Incidentally, have you thought about offering a 48 step attenuator in a passive?

I will probably go this way, I like the additional increments in volume.


Cheers
C
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I do a dual 24 step with Takman resistors I source from Hi-Fi Collective 'cos I can't be bloody bothered to make them myself. 48 wont be better sounding it will just give you less attenuation between steps and no one has so far complained of not enough control with the P50sa.

Thanks for your confirmation support.
 
Richard Dunn said:
Case and silk screening £35
Potentiometer £2-50
Selector switch £1 (approx)
Sockets about £10
Connection about £2-50
Knobs £2
Packaging £12
Labour £30
Total £95
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Am I the only one disturbed by the fact that twice as much of the budget has gone on packaging as on the switch, potentiometer and internal cabling? :eek:
 
HiFiWigWam said:
There was nothing to discuss until today. Strange that you managed to "know" all of the above before I did. I only finished discussing it all with Chester about an hour ago.

Equally, you are wrong on every count. And no one was being kept in the dark, there was nothing to say until now.

Good job people don't use the internet to cause arguments and rumours in order to avenge petty squabbles.:eek:
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Ooh, is there news?
 
Yes, full update later.



BTW, re Richard's pricing and kit, most know he and I don't see eye to eye, in fact that is something of an understatement. But I will say this, his kit always sounds bloody good to my ears and I would never accusing him of taking the piss price wise. We could do with more manufacturers with his attitude to realistic pricing and putting the effort into the important bits sound wise, while ignoring the flim flam frankly.
 
Garrardman said:
Am I the only one disturbed by the fact that twice as much of the budget has gone on packaging as on the switch, potentiometer and internal cabling? :eek:
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not really.

Its a nice attractive box.

I will be making mine from a Maplins box and it will look (comparitively) like shit.

I could care less however.
 
HiFiWigWam said:
Yes, full update later.



BTW, re Richard's pricing and kit, most know he and I don't see eye to eye, in fact that is something of an understatement. But I will say this, his kit always sounds bloody good to my ears and I would never accusing him of taking the piss price wise. We could do with more manufacturers with his attitude to realistic pricing and putting the effort into the important bits sound wise, while ignoring the flim flam frankly.
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I have tried to make peace with you on at least three occassions to be either ignored or rejected.

I personally hope you have either done a deal with Chester Group to make them change their mind or you have decided to go ahead and do it yourself. And yes there was a strong element of tease in all this.
 
bottleneck said:
not really.

Its a nice attractive box.

I will be making mine from a Maplins box and it will look (comparitively) like shit.

I could care less however.
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I think he means external shipping box and internal material. I go overkill on it for two reasons, one with a single or double wall box, especially to Italy, I was getting lots of damage and insurance claims. Part of that is because acylic is obviously more easily damaged that alluminium or steel. So triple walled boxes in small quantity from Rajapack and a strong infill foam is not cheap.
 
Thanks for the breakdown Richard, was thinking for a moment that you might take less 'slurp' than others for providing a product/service, but 50% GM is right on the max..
Btw you've costed for 5 hours labour?? Or are you paying yourself £30/hr?
Slurp, slurp. :D
 
Hi Wammer

I wish other manufacturers operated on a 50% GM basis. It's right on the 'minimum'I'd hesitate to say.

I'd love to know how much it costs to make a Koetsu Urushi gold (£3,700 retail), or a Kondo M77.

The fact that the items probably sound great being left entirely aside for now.


Doubtless, said manufacturers would ascribe massive costs to ''r & d''.
 
Wammer64 said:
Thanks for the breakdown Richard, was thinking for a moment that you might take less 'slurp' than others for providing a product/service, but 50% GM is right on the max..
Btw you've costed for 5 hours labour?? Or are you paying yourself £30/hr?
Slurp, slurp. :D
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Your not worth talking to as you are obviously an idiot.
 
The fun is look at how all the usual suspects jump in when they find a possible loop hole to get through.

Flatty was supposed to have me on the ignore button ;)

Mescalino is just doing what he always does.

And we suddenly get a group of wammers who are probably here under instruction from the boss. Is it just co-incidence that they arrive within a few minutes of his post saying the matter is solved.

Reality is fact, and fact can be found on every thread I have contributed to on the matter, here and at Subjectivist, including the thread on this years last show at Subjectivist. I have never shown the show any ill will or wished it not to happen. Anyone with any intelligence will see that I was irritating James (as is my pleasure) into saying something about it, which he finally has. Now as far as I am concerned (as I have stated in every thread) that could either be Chester Group changing their mind, James or Wigwam doing it themselves, or dropping all association to the show so someone else could pick up the baton, I even offered to do it myself.

But as we still don't know what the outcome is, we only have a vague reference to the problem being solved, perhaps all this bollocks is still premature. The only thing I will admit to is winding up James, which has become a bit of a hobby of mine.
 
Reality, in itself, is very much a subjective interpretation of one's personal experiences; what is real for one may not be for another.

I'm very pleased to hear the show will be going ahead and will certainly be attending.
 
Garrardman said:
You ought to try masturbation instead - that might chill you out a bit as well. :D
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Perhaps you know all about that, I am afraid it is outside my experience. I have only had others provide the service, and these days I can't really be bothered with that.
 
Wammer64 said:
Do you talk to all your customers like that? I'm a little miffed...
:(

Slurp, slurp...
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You will never knowingly be my customer. So be as miffed as you like. If I realised an order was coming from you it would be cancelled. I don't want or need your money.
 
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