Why do you visit audio forums?

Basil said:
I have opened my mind, I've stopped believing all the nonsense posted without a shred of evidence to back it up.
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So once again the same old argument. So you should have lived in the middle ages as nothing we have discovered since would have happened as there was no evidence it existed - there is evidence for audio though, it is in my ears if it is not in yours then too bad your loss not mine.
 
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Richard Dunn said:
So once again the same old argument. So you should have lived in the middle ages as nothing we have discovered since would have happened as there was no evidence it existed - there is evidence, it is in my ears if it is not in yours then too bad your loss not mine.
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What?

You have so much in common with creationists.
 
Why visit forums? I don't know many people who are into their hifi, and several of my friends just give me a sympathetic sort of look when I start talking about my kit :D. Forums make me feel slightly reassured that there are other wierdo's out there like me, and many of them significantly wierder. But then, sometimes enthusiasts post pictures of themselves posing next to their gear, and I start to feel distinctly uncomfortable about the whole thing ;). Even worse, my better half will occasionally catch me gazing at pictures of speakers and turntables, and she also gives me a sympathetic look, but tinged with worry. I think sometimes she'd be happier if I spent more time looking at porn and less at hifi.

This is the only 'general' audio forum I've joined, I'm a member of 2 others but I only really joined to gather specific information about a project that I've undertaken.
 
Dave Simpson said:
According to our junior audio scientists, Pluto could not have existed until the exact moment it was measured by a human's camera.
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You just don't get it do you.

Pluto, like anything 'could' have existed before it was seen. But just like any imaginary planetary body for which there was no evidence, it was highly unlikely. Once you have seen Pluto or seen the effects of it's gravitational field then you have evidence of its existence.

The difference here, is that you guys are saying you have seen Pluto, but no one has been able to take a picture of it despite having some cameras and lenses that are far more sensitive than your eyes.
 
sq225917 said:
You just don't get it do you.

Pluto, like anything 'could' have existed before it was seen. But just like any imaginary planetary body for which there was no evidence, it was highly unlikely. Once you have seen Pluto or seen the effects of it's gravitational field then you have evidence of its existence.

The difference here, is that you guys are saying you have seen Pluto, but no one has been able to take a picture of it despite having some cameras and lenses that are far more sensitive than your eyes.
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So after reading the above and as an Exposer of Foo™ (does your club get to learn funny secret handshakes) it appears you get to tell me and the rest of The Unwashed what's "highly likely" and what's not despite what my unsophisticated senses tell me. Will you tell me how to pick a wife next?

regards,

dave
 
Dave Simpson said:
So after reading the above and as an Exposer of Fooâ„¢ (does your club get to learn funny secret handshakes) it appears you get to tell me and the rest of The Unwashed what's "highly likely" and what's not despite what my unsophisticated senses tell me. Will you tell me how to pick a wife next?

regards,

dave
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I see now from his new tag line he is going to be "an exposer of the real Richard Dunn", does that mean the sweetie wants to take my clothes off ;)

So perhaps its not a wife he wishes to pick for you :D
 
Richard Dunn said:
I see now from his new tag line he is going to be "an exposer of the real Richard Dunn", does that mean the sweetie wants to take my clothes off ;)

So perhaps its not a wife he wishes to pick for you :D
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LOL!!!!

Expectedly, this argument has completed its circle. Not sure about the rest of you but I'll bow out now. I'm going to continue to hear what's presented in front of me and I'll let others hear only what their list allows. I suspect we'll all live happily everafter.

regards,

dave
 
Dave Simpson said:
LOL!!!!

Expectedly, this argument has completed its circle. Not sure about the rest of you but I'll bow out now. I'm going to continue to hear what's presented in front of me and I'll let others hear only what their list allows. I suspect we'll all live happily everafter.

regards,

dave
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Well it is difficult for me to bow out as I might expose myself bending over
 
Dave I'd be happy to pick a wife for you.

Unfortunately I think you'd prefer one of the none existent Swedish, twin, nympho, air-hostess's with lesbian tendencies at the weekend and a predilection for watching football and doing all the house work; because you once heard that they might exist and have been fantasying over it ever since.

As opposed to someone who actually exists.



and the order for the power strip should be component carrying the smallest signal closest to end nearest the wall. That's simply a matter of ground potential. ;-)
 
Dave Simpson said:
According to our junior audio scientists, Pluto could not have existed until the exact moment it was measured by a human's camera.
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Wrong, actually. Nothing intrinsically stopped Pluto existing. Nothing in Celestial mechanics or relativity precluded Plutos existence. And when it was discovered, it behaved EXACTLY in accordance with the established scientific theories.

Entirely the opposite holds true of the differences imagined by the audio faithful. The science describing the behaviour of audio electronics is just as rigorous as that describing planetary motion.

The fact remains if you perceive a difference and the science says the difference cannot exist, you should investigate further. The obvious thing to do is to take as many variables out of the equation as possible. Do a simple blind test. If you can still reliably distinguish differences, there is something fundamentally wrong with our understanding of electricity and electronics.

Funny that there are not shit loads of audiophikles winning Nobel prizes for physics, isn't it;)

Chris
 
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Dave Simpson said:
So after reading the above and as an Exposer of Fooâ„¢ (does your club get to learn funny secret handshakes) it appears you get to tell me and the rest of The Unwashed what's "highly likely" and what's not despite what my unsophisticated senses tell me. Will you tell me how to pick a wife next?

regards,

dave
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You said it. Your senses may be sophisticated, but like all of us, they are highly unreliable. Ask anyone who has been fooled by an optical illusion. Ask any policeman about the reliability of eyewitness accounts.

It is not your fault that you do not have a scoobies about how science works. It is your fault that you make claims about what is, in essence a scientific & technically based bit of kit from your position of absolute scientific & technical ignorance.

Regards,

Chris
 
What a continuing waste of time and space :rolleyes:

There are just some very simple rules.

1/ test results and specs give you a basic understanding.
2/ they are only needed by designers, builders and repairers as to everyone else they are a hindrance, as they will confuse your decisions.
3/ for the end user the *only* things that are important in order of importance are a/ your music b/ your system c/ your room, and how do you decide which of these you use / own? by listening to music.
4/ *everything* else is bollocks or marketing, or even some strange form of negative marketing as we see here.
 
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Mescalito said:
You said it. Your senses may be sophisticated, but like all of us, they are highly unreliable. Ask anyone who has been fooled by an optical illusion. Ask any policeman about the reliability of eyewitness accounts.

It is not your fault that you do not have a scoobies about how science works. It is your fault that you make claims about what is, in essence a scientific & technically based bit of kit from your position of absolute scientific & technical ignorance.

Regards,

Chris
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If your senses are so unreliable why is this subject important for you, as you cannot partake in it without your senses, so what else is important?
 
A good row of course

Lol@ "Do you enjoy a good row?":MILD:

Grew sceptical of the Hi-Fi press A LONG time ago in a distant galaxy ... etc. etc. WHEN will all people wake up and see the reviews are driven by advertisers? E.G. reading Mission reviews in What Hi-Fi makes me laugh even today.

Isn't it strange how the biggest advertisers generally get the most glowing reviews?:JPS:


I still like to test my own viewpoint against others over hifi from time to time and would never pretend to know everything. Think the greatest learning period I had over hifi was through going to hifi shows and taking my own CDs than reviews and forums. My what an eye opener that was, so many ridiculously expensive pretty boxes (in many but not all instances ) that often were JUST that. However, was more interested in the reproduction of music than house jewellery myself.

But yes I'm a social animal and enjoy the community aspect... ;)
 

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